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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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Tim wake up rich digging a ditch in the

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army now we'll have you cleaning the

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latrine if you don't move your ass right

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now and I mean now private Schwartz oh

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well sorry sergeant Bunco but I was up

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really late on the front line watching

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for UFOs just as I was told to oh well

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this huge flying saucer came over and

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abducted one of the guys we tried to

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hold him down but the suction of the

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craft was too strong and they got him

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they just got him ah no excuse private

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you're lucky they didn't take your sorry

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ass young rub your now drop your schlong

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and pick your socks and get your butt

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moving 1 2 3

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well I don't know if we'll ever take the

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place of Phil Silvers I don't think so

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but it's a I don't know I don't know so

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how you been out there in Jasper well

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we've been not too bad you know we got

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the the remnants of Hurricane Norma come

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through yeah but by the time it got to

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us it was just I mean it barely rained

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half an inch I guess it it spent all of

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its might but the funny thing about it

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is that after it came through here it it

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took a dive back down to like Texas

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Louisiana and then circle back around

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and got us again that was that that was

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some storm huh

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you know I I've a keishon that a number

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of times with my friend April and the

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Virgin Islands beautiful place but I I

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hear that really got the the brunt of

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the the storm and coming through on its

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way to Key West where I would go and

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visit Jim Mosely from time to time I'm

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I'm sure he's one of the ones that would

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not have evacuated and I don't think he

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I don't think he was much of a swimmer

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either and anyway it's going to take a

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long time to recoup from that and I'm

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glad to say that I have heard from most

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of my Facebook friends then they're okay

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a little storm weary at this point but

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they're there they're going to make it

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through all this and even our business

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contacts down in the Florida and Georgia

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seemed to be perhaps mopping in the

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floor but getting everything back to

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normal which that is yeah and that's

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good news but of course we're not normal

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are we no not even close and if you're

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if if you're listening to the show

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expecting normal well you're in verse

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I would say so because you're not gonna

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find normal on exploring the bazaar and

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if you do you can come and fire us don't

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do that you could take that microphone

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right out of my hand

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try it try it buddy hey I don't want to

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get too much of an aggressive approach

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here Oh No although what are we what are

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we talking about tonight we're talking

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about the military and the paranormal

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and UFOs and it's it's going to be quite

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a fascinating show you know the things

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for people to you know in the service

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vet veterans and so forth 270 their

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drawers and it's in here somewhere and

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and then we will have another book to

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pursue but Tim let us gather our gear

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and our rifles and our tanks and and hit

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the road towards Damascus or somewhere

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no not that far barracks shenanigans and

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clean the latrine like that and you

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could pull your socks up at your own

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pace I appreciate that Sarge ah you bet

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you bet sergeant Bunco here and anyway

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this evening oh yeah oh we got a great

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show tonight because we have with us

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Jim miles who is the author of seven

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books of the Civil War

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explorers series Civil War as well Civil

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titled a weird Georgia now five books

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several History Channel shows and he's

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also written seven books about Georgia

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ghosts of war ghosts of North Georgia

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Civil War ghosts of Atlanta and the list

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just goes on now the but he lives in

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Maine no I don't live a I'm holding a

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copy of his latest book which

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fascinating cover on it man that's a

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but but go ahead wait we have a second

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guest right well uh tonight we have the

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return of Mack Maloney now Mack is the

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author of numerous fiction series

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including wing man one of my favorite

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series of books by the way chopper up

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sky Hawk and pirate hunters now he's

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also written two non-fiction books UFOs

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in wartime what they don't want you to

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know and beyond area 51

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so now max started writing books in 1984

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and he's been doing it full-time since

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1987 and he's written over 30 books Mac

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is also the host of the radio show Mac

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Maloney's military x-files

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so gentlemen thank you very much for

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being with us tonight on exploring the

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bizarre uh here we go

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I wanna I want to bring in I think a Jim

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the program before and we'll give him a

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pardon the expression a shot at this

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why don't you tell our listeners a

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little bit about your how you got

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involved in the military aspect of this

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to to relate or are you a vet I'm not

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but all my life have lived near major

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the sac bases so twice a day you heard

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this fleet of bombers out there warming

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up taking off and the old fly comes in

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and lands and you try not to think that

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two miles from your school are several

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hundred nuclear weapons oh I wouldn't

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you were also one of us as our biggest

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targets when the Cold War was over we

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discovered that the Russians had to

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airburst new targeted for us and the

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prediction was that would have killed

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half of us out light and the other half

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of us within a week or so now where was

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this at the time that you were living

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I'm still live in 111 Georgia this is

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home to rather therefore space okay and

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okay so when did you take it I mean what

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made you decide though to take a pen to

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paper and what is your background of

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writer okay I majored in history and

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political science I taught high school

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writing since I was a kid those two

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things have always just come together

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for me teaching his writing and writing

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and teaching and and what was the the

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the paranormal and the military was

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concerned and why why did you pick that

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about the the military there's certainly

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a lot of other aspects you could have

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written about I can put

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newspapers every day I read every book

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about Georgia pretty much every magazine

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every newspaper through the years and I

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collect all types of odd information

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about Georgia and since I've lived in

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your airport spaces all my life I've

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paid particular attention when there's a

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report about one of Georgia's military

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bases and the three primary types

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ghosts and Bigfoots well you know I

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would I would I would imagine UFOs and

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ghosts the the Bigfoot aspect kind of I

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want say stuns me or surprises me

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because I did a segment of oh I think on

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the History Channel of mysteries in the

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national parks and one of the part of

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the interview that I did was about

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Joshua Tree and I think it was Edwards

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Air Force Base we talked about this

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albino creature a Bigfoot for lack of a

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better name Sasquatch what everyone

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called that had been seen by some of the

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military guards you know on the

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perimeter of the the base through

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binoculars so I mean I am aware that

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these thats in a hot humid region of

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course in southern california but anyway

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god what what kind of was there one

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particular let's say let's start out

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with UFOs first was there one particular

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event that kind of got is going for you

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scout here in middle Georgia now we had

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Robins Air Force Base attack base and

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there's a second one in Albany called

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Turner Air Force Base and to protect

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them against Russian attack in 1916 they

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batteries two of them for one or ovens

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or Albany on Turner's and what they had

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missiles and if Russian bombers were

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approaching they would are these things

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off and they were equipped with either a

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two kiloton or a ten kiloton bomb and

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they were meant to be exploded in the

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atmosphere and destroy incoming enemy

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bombers right next door to one of these

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missile batteries it was Camp Benjamin

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Hawkins it's a boy scout camp and when I

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was 13 years old we had camping trips

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and the first night we would always stay

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up all night around the campfire just

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all the boys talking and as we've told

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stories and looked at the sky I saw this

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brilliant orange light up here in the

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distance up on this guy we were all

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watching it and it just zigzag back and

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forth very slowly kept coming closer and

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closer to Earth and finally disappeared

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from our view

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it was obviously flying and an object

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and we can identify it so I just it made

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me think UFOs are keeping an eye on

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these nuclear missile batteries and a

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few years later another voice down at

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the same place in two other counselors

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were watching the skies one night and

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glowing orbs showed up and paralyzed

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them for a while and then the UFO moved

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over the central battery and disappeared

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so that's what started it all that that

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event hmm considering all the Nike bases

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that were built around the United States

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it surprises me that you know with all

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the UFO sightings as well that somebody

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hadn't you know it advertently launched

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one of those missiles that some of these

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incoming UFOs glad they didn't

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that's an interesting thought I think

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there were several hundreds of these

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batteries around the country and it

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isn't right there was nobody popped one

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off

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mm-hmm yeah they they actually they

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build a couple of them here in in

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Indiana one one near Chicago and then

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they had another one to protect the

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crane facility down down here in

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southern Indiana well Jim I'm interested

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in just you know real quick about your

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your your Civil War books now you know

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you've written a number of books you

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know about the Civil War but you've also

291
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included in there a lot of of ghost

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stories that you know seem to you know

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swing in the same direction so to speak

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is you know these Civil War

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books I mean is are there are there more

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ghostly sightings in some of these areas

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that that saw a lot of action during

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this of war then then others that you

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know that that that that you have

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discovered in you know researching your

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books one of the most haunted places in

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America is Chickamauga world battlefield

303
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in North Georgia now Chickamauga was the

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second largest battle in the war and

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there were founded a man killed and

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since the battle was over people have

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been telling stories now one story might

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actually be a Bigfoot but there is a

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creature that supposedly was crawling

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over the battlefield and picking up and

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tearing away dead bodies to feast upon

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some people for real that time that day

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that's what that's a wild story now when

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when did this happen and was it on more

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than one occasion Oh many times

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yeah old

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green eyes is what the what is called

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and visitors to say there at the dark

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TVs to green eyes just pacing around

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sometimes making noise sometimes you

321
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could smell it and people always feel

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threatened by it

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can you just growing just right can you

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describe it for us they think we big

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threats it's the Lord

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perhaps a cool as a better word Bart I

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think humanoid it's got long arms and

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legs and it's fairly large when people I

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can see the figure and not just the eyes

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they are intimidated and they run away

331
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they are intimidated I think I would be

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intimidated yeah well I mean it sounds

333
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like something taking the opportunity

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for a free meal yeah and that's just one

335
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of many different types of ghosts from

336
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check'em agua now there are women

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dressed in their wedding dresses

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wandering around trying to find their

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see on stage or somewhere in the battle

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soldiers spectacle soldiers are seeing

341
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prowling through the woods sometimes

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firing rifles at you which will get your

343
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attention

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this is hollow cone as material there at

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Chickamauga another place

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well sure everyone's heard of is called

347
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Andersonville it was a federal prison

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started in southwest Georgia in 1864

349
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they sent way too many prisoners down

350
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there they had a limited and polluted

351
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water supply very little food can make

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it down there and in about 9 months

353
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13,000 Union soldiers died at

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Andersonville and they are all buried

355
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there in a National Cemetery today Oh

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his haunting has come from desperation

357
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and misery and hatred and just

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every negative human emotion and that is

359
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the place that is going to be haunted

360
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the most so now when it comes to

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modern-day military bases their enemy

362
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and it's you know not just from you I

363
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mean you know I've heard these stories

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from other people of well you know a

365
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majority of these bases seem to have

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their own UFO haunting incidents I mean

367
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what is it about these bases that that

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seemed to be a focal point for for

369
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ghosts and hauntings just about every

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military bases haunted or thought to be

371
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haunted by something but in my

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experience here in Georgia you have the

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most those cases from the army bases and

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the ones that have been around the

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longest for example Fort Benning in

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Columbus is one of the largest military

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bases in the United States it has

378
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trained hundreds of thousands of men and

379
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sent them to world war one world war two

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Korea Vietnam the Gulf War and the war

381
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on terror so men are constantly being

382
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trained there and often their families

383
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are stationed with them there and we

384
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send them off and unfortunately they

385
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they die and it seems like many of them

386
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tried to come back to the last home they

387
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had or the last peaceful place that they

388
00:22:05,739 --> 00:22:01,939
knew now Jim how would you let's see and

389
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what is a how can I put this or do you

390
00:22:09,579 --> 00:22:07,699
think how do you see the phenomenon of

391
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soft or do you think that these are the

392
00:22:15,849 --> 00:22:12,679
actual spirits that are coming back I

393
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mean that the spirits of the deceased or

394
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is it some sort of psychic impression

395
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that's been made made on the atmosphere

396
00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:24,199
and it's kind of like we're rerunning

397
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the events of the past today

398
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I think that most of these are spirits

399
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coming home the standard story in in

400
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Fort Benning and sometimes you Square

401
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every house an apartment on the basis

402
00:22:47,260 --> 00:22:43,960
haunted but the most common thing is

403
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people currently living in a place and

404
00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:49,100
we'll here the front screen door opens

405
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they'll hear the front door unlocked

406
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they'll hear the door closed and locks

407
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they won't hear boots combat boots

408
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:02,450
walking across the wooden floors and it

409
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seems like they're just coming home over

410
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:09,460
and over again and do they do they

411
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actually make though any let's see

412
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:15,950
communication or contact with the the

413
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living or is it would you say that

414
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:21,650
they're all just pretty much phantoms of

415
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the night I would call them phantoms of

416
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:28,610
the night there's no communication

417
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attempts there's lots of poltergeist

418
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:42,260
activity and well we're going we're

419
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gonna disappear for a minute because

420
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we're on our first break here and we'll

421
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[Music]

422
00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:03,770
now back to exploring the bazaars with

423
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two of the most electrifying researchers

424
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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

425
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:13,800
effectively Anton's lists we welcome

426
00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:15,930
back to explore in the bazaar right here

427
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on the mighty case Co our digital radio

428
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:22,470
network and Tim I think we need to bring

429
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:25,260
a mikvah low D and he's been waiting

430
00:24:30,740 --> 00:24:26,970
patiently yeah he's been waiting

431
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:30,750
patiently in the wing so Mac it's it's

432
00:24:33,220 --> 00:24:32,340
it's your turn great to have you with us

433
00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:33,230
tonight

434
00:24:40,150 --> 00:24:36,630
thanks guys glad to be here well I just

435
00:24:44,660 --> 00:24:40,160
I wanted to point out really quick that

436
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:44,670
Mac has see it was May was a mayor this

437
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:47,220
year that she released book number 18 in

438
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:50,010
the the wigman series yep that's right

439
00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:52,890
Wendy and 18 came out may 2nd may say

440
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:55,620
okay so now okay what how long had it

441
00:25:01,310 --> 00:24:58,500
been between book 17 and book 18 I know

442
00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:01,320
it's been quite a while right book 17

443
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:03,000
was more like a novella that came out

444
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three years ago and then between book 16

445
00:25:15,020 --> 00:25:09,570
and 17 it was about mmm twelve years or

446
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:15,030
so that's that's quite a wait do you

447
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,370
prefer writing nonfiction to fiction or

448
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:22,380
how do you decide what what did it work

449
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:26,010
on next well it's um fiction is is much

450
00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:28,380
more preferable because you know you can

451
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,660
make it all up you know with nonfiction

452
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:32,640
you just got to do a lot of research and

453
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:35,250
yeah so on and I can remember when I was

454
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:37,260
in the middle of the first one UFOs and

455
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:39,090
what I'm just looking around my office

456
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,710
I'm probably about halfway through at

457
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the book I'm late on the deadline and I

458
00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:44,160
said wow how did I get myself into this

459
00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:46,590
you know with all the research that you

460
00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:47,790
have to do and you have to double-check

461
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:49,860
everything you have to vet stuff and

462
00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:52,740
it's a lot more work to do a nonfiction

463
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:54,900
book for sure well that was your

464
00:25:59,660 --> 00:25:56,700
publishers idea wasn't it to do a

465
00:26:01,790 --> 00:25:59,670
nonfiction book yeah we were just out I

466
00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:01,800
was at lunch of my editor once and we

467
00:26:05,820 --> 00:26:04,030
were just talking about UFOs just as

468
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:05,830
during the conversation and I had

469
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:08,110
mentioned to him that I had always had

470
00:26:11,910 --> 00:26:10,090
this idea not always but you know I had

471
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:11,920
had this idea for quite a while that it

472
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:13,570
seemed like more UFOs showed up during

473
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:15,370
wartime and peacetime and he said hey

474
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,740
that's sounds like a good book what you

475
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,600
want to do you want to do that as your

476
00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:21,520
next book and so that's really how it

477
00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:25,630
started and so what do you I mean we

478
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:28,030
know about UFOs over military bases and

479
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:29,590
stuff like that but is there a

480
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:34,000
particular concept or area of research

481
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:40,380
that you find most enlightening well I

482
00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:42,880
like this oh you mean over all right

483
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:43,870
yeah yes

484
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:46,360
I like this idea we talked about it on

485
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:50,920
our show a lot in that this we call it

486
00:26:57,540 --> 00:26:53,050
the unified field flurry of the

487
00:26:59,670 --> 00:26:57,550
paranormal the idea that maybe UFOs and

488
00:27:01,770 --> 00:26:59,680
Bigfoot and Loch Ness monster and ghost

489
00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:01,780
it like it's all pile of the same thing

490
00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:03,430
yeah well that's like our we have

491
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:05,860
Paulino on from tight falls is a really

492
00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:08,020
good friend of show yeah yeah absolutely

493
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:12,670
a lot of groundbreaking research and

494
00:27:18,750 --> 00:27:15,070
write and work and and we just seem to

495
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:18,760
come upon more evidences of that as as

496
00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:20,530
we go along you know so I think that

497
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:22,360
would be kind of cool if it was if it

498
00:27:27,810 --> 00:27:23,890
turned out to be all part of the same

499
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:27,820
thing now historically how far do you

500
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:32,320
would go back and doing research well in

501
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:35,650
UFOs and one time we went back to you

502
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:40,330
know Alexander the Great 300 BC and and

503
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:44,290
and up until the end of the 20th century

504
00:27:49,770 --> 00:27:47,110
you can go to just about anywhere in

505
00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:49,780
history's timeline and find something

506
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:51,820
having to do with UFOs they've been

507
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:53,770
around with us as long as we've been

508
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:55,960
around I think all right that would seem

509
00:28:00,000 --> 00:27:58,890
to be that way now why the particular

510
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,010
okay

511
00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:02,320
we could see today with the you know the

512
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:06,580
advent of nuclear weapons and the a-bomb

513
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:08,550
and all of that why they would want to

514
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:12,250
keep an eye on our attack e-enough

515
00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:16,150
existence but going back to Alexander

516
00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:17,350
the greater the

517
00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:21,100
you know this a long long time ago

518
00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:22,630
it wouldn't seem that we were a

519
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:27,340
particular threat to their civilization

520
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:29,289
is there some other reason that you

521
00:28:39,650 --> 00:28:35,410
could grasp that they are kind of leery

522
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:39,660
or weary or or concerned or observant I

523
00:28:45,539 --> 00:28:42,250
don't think I don't think they're really

524
00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:45,549
here to you know protect us to keep us

525
00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:47,590
from blowing ourselves up I know that

526
00:28:52,110 --> 00:28:50,140
there's that's a all right let's theory

527
00:28:53,789 --> 00:28:52,120
but I don't really you know when you

528
00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:53,799
look at as once again the history's

529
00:28:59,460 --> 00:28:55,929
timeline it looks more like they are

530
00:29:01,919 --> 00:28:59,470
they're just looking in on us and one of

531
00:29:03,930 --> 00:29:01,929
the theories that we put in UFOs and

532
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:03,940
what time is that you know this could be

533
00:29:09,149 --> 00:29:06,610
something as simple simple in quotes as

534
00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:09,159
time travel is you know time tourists

535
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:11,740
people coming from you know some time in

536
00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:13,570
the distant future coming back here

537
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:15,880
finding the secret to time travel and

538
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:18,400
coming back and and just watching as

539
00:29:25,049 --> 00:29:22,809
history's being made no do you find that

540
00:29:30,299 --> 00:29:25,059
there's any evidence that time travel

541
00:29:33,149 --> 00:29:30,309
actually exists well if I did if I knew

542
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:33,159
that I think I'd probably be out in

543
00:29:37,460 --> 00:29:36,220
Pasadena someplace or no ed Langley or

544
00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:37,470
something

545
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:42,100
you know let's look at it this way if

546
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:44,620
you had the ability to go back in time

547
00:29:49,169 --> 00:29:47,530
and be a time tourist I mean who

548
00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:49,179
wouldn't do it you know I was talking to

549
00:29:52,919 --> 00:29:51,100
someone the other day and and they said

550
00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:52,929
well I I'd go and see a Shakespeare play

551
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,480
and someone else said well I would go

552
00:29:59,340 --> 00:29:57,760
see the crucifixion of Christ and then

553
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,350
course you have that question well then

554
00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:00,880
why wouldn't there be two million people

555
00:30:05,310 --> 00:30:03,220
at the for a Shakespeare play you know

556
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:05,320
and that's one of these things that you

557
00:30:09,419 --> 00:30:07,690
know we can't figure out but well

558
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:09,429
they're all sitting there all sitting in

559
00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:11,110
the balcony that's or something right

560
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,200
right you know overflow a lot but you

561
00:30:18,299 --> 00:30:16,240
know there is a lot of evidence that

562
00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:18,309
especially with the Foo Fighters in

563
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:19,780
World War two

564
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:22,210
so many of them were seen by both sides

565
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:24,580
and during the war we thought they were

566
00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:26,500
German soup and super weapons and they

567
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:28,540
thought they were a super weapons and

568
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,730
only after the law did it

569
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:32,320
and realize that you know they didn't

570
00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:35,370
belong to anyone on earth but there's no

571
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:39,190
evidence at all that they shot at us or

572
00:30:43,409 --> 00:30:41,470
they shot at the Germans or the Japanese

573
00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:43,419
or whatever they would they were there

574
00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:45,160
lots of people saw him but they were

575
00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:46,990
just kind of observing watching what was

576
00:30:50,570 --> 00:30:48,760
going on and that's that's that whole

577
00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:50,580
idea of that you know maybe they're just

578
00:30:55,530 --> 00:30:53,380
tourists time tourists seeing history as

579
00:31:00,240 --> 00:30:55,540
it's being made hey Mack are you

580
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:00,250
familiar with the the stories that have

581
00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:04,510
gone around about Mussolini being having

582
00:31:10,919 --> 00:31:07,900
some UFO involvement apparently there

583
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:10,929
were some telegrams and some papers the

584
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:14,049
documents kind of like our mj-12 papers

585
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:16,559
here that were left to show some

586
00:31:21,090 --> 00:31:18,850
illustrations of these weird objects in

587
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,100
the sky and so forth well I have not

588
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:24,000
heard that but you know I knew I know

589
00:31:29,159 --> 00:31:26,890
Mussolini was a weird dude so you know

590
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:29,169
it wouldn't surprise me if something

591
00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:30,910
like that showed up in his you know

592
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:33,280
papers or whatever well you know what we

593
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:36,010
did we did you know I'm just trying to

594
00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:37,510
attempt do you remember what book did we

595
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:39,429
write this up was it the night I did not

596
00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:41,530
see a UFO Time Traveller's right yeah

597
00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:45,220
that's right okay but we also had oh now

598
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:47,620
I've lost my train of thought we also

599
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:51,490
had Churchill I think was quoted as

600
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:54,130
supposedly interested in UFOs there were

601
00:31:58,409 --> 00:31:56,650
some sightings I guess that were passed

602
00:32:00,900 --> 00:31:58,419
on to him and he tried to cover it up

603
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:00,910
yeah he was shown a picture that was

604
00:32:05,549 --> 00:32:02,650
taken by a Lancaster bomber a

605
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:05,559
reconnaissance bomber of something

606
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,470
following this airplane and it was a

607
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:10,240
very clear photograph or a series of

608
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:14,559
them and he was shown these around 1944

609
00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:17,080
so I think this is in from UFOs and what

610
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:19,630
time and yes and what he did was he said

611
00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:22,210
we cannot let this out because he was

612
00:32:25,289 --> 00:32:23,500
afraid that it would ruin all the

613
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:25,299
religions in the world he just thought

614
00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:28,210
you know if if we could if there was

615
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:30,040
evidence that there was someone else out

616
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:31,990
there what does that do with our

617
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:34,330
earthbound religion so he he said we

618
00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:36,160
cannot release these for 50 years but

619
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,280
then as far as that research showed the

620
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:41,200
British security service just destroyed

621
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:43,750
the photos and you know so they were

622
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:46,030
even have to make that decision fifty

623
00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:48,190
years from now but yeah that we actually

624
00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:50,430
found a lot of evidence said that

625
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:53,020
Churchill did see pictures of you know

626
00:32:56,610 --> 00:32:54,490
what they call Foo Fighters back then

627
00:32:59,460 --> 00:32:56,620
and he just did not want them to release

628
00:33:01,470 --> 00:32:59,470
to the public and now I remember

629
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:01,480
actually in that I think it was a Nazi

630
00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:04,950
time traveler book we actually had a

631
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,020
reprinted an illustration of the front

632
00:33:12,630 --> 00:33:10,000
page of one of the newspapers back

633
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:12,640
during a Mussolini's era and it showed

634
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:16,030
some military you know and in bunkers

635
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:18,340
and there was a strange object in the

636
00:33:22,350 --> 00:33:20,170
sky and this we're talking about going

637
00:33:25,050 --> 00:33:22,360
back to what 1940 or something like that

638
00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:25,060
so apparently I mean the you know like

639
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:27,550
you say their UFOs have always seemed to

640
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:32,950
have a keen interest in in our in our

641
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:37,690
ongoing battles now do you see that

642
00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:40,630
that's it's increasing it all over the

643
00:33:46,980 --> 00:33:43,680
centuries or pretty much a standard fare

644
00:33:49,860 --> 00:33:46,990
well because we have more information

645
00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:49,870
now let's say in the in the in the 20th

646
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:53,380
century then back you know going back to

647
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:55,890
a - you know Alexander the Great's time

648
00:34:01,380 --> 00:33:59,200
you hear about it more now and I'm

649
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:01,390
saying relatively speaking now in the

650
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:02,890
past hundred years or so

651
00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:06,310
but there are you know there were there

652
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:09,070
are newspaper articles from you know the

653
00:34:14,340 --> 00:34:12,129
Germany in the 1500s that show would

654
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:14,350
only only be disguised as a near battle

655
00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:15,970
over well that's right there they were

656
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:17,470
they were doing a little bit of their

657
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:20,800
own fighting in the right yes Brighton

658
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:24,580
sky right well now how about you know I

659
00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:29,230
saw a movie I you know was a theatrical

660
00:34:32,129 --> 00:34:31,030
movie but it was on like YouTube or

661
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:32,139
something like that hour-and-a-half

662
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:34,090
regular movie but I don't think it ever

663
00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:36,010
played in the theater here and it was

664
00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:39,790
about UFOs over Vietnam it wasn't a

665
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:41,830
documentary or anything was actual film

666
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,320
and they tied the djinn into it in awe

667
00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:47,200
now how a prevalent were were sightings

668
00:34:52,889 --> 00:34:51,340
in in Vietnam and the Korean Conflict

669
00:34:55,830 --> 00:34:52,899
and so forth

670
00:34:57,100 --> 00:34:55,840
well there were a lot of UFOs seen

671
00:34:58,930 --> 00:34:57,110
during the Vietnam law

672
00:35:01,870 --> 00:34:58,940
and they were there's been UFOs seen in

673
00:35:05,590 --> 00:35:01,880
Vietnam you know over the years before

674
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:05,600
the war and I but you know is it there's

675
00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:10,070
a famous story about how we had some of

676
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:12,670
our fighters chasing UFOs over the DMZ

677
00:35:18,850 --> 00:35:16,010
in 1968 and they actually fired on these

678
00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:18,860
UFOs and the and the missiles that the

679
00:35:23,230 --> 00:35:20,750
airplanes fired actually hit an

680
00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:23,240
Australian ship and killed three sailors

681
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:28,790
and also injured a lot of people that's

682
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:31,100
called the Hobart incident it's an

683
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:33,170
Australian destroyer that was off the

684
00:35:37,450 --> 00:35:35,270
coast of Vietnam just kind of got in the

685
00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:37,460
way of this fight between f4 phantoms

686
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:39,560
and what they were calling enemy

687
00:35:42,850 --> 00:35:41,210
helicopters back then but of course the

688
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:42,860
vehicle and nothing he didn't really

689
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:45,770
have helicopters they were shooting at

690
00:35:49,450 --> 00:35:47,870
something the missiles went astray hit

691
00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:49,460
this Australian destroyer

692
00:35:55,870 --> 00:35:53,240
later on officers from the a Thea force

693
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:55,880
you know were had spoken at veterans

694
00:35:59,680 --> 00:35:57,290
dinners and things like that and said

695
00:36:02,650 --> 00:35:59,690
this actually really happened there's

696
00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:02,660
stories about aliens being seen in the

697
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:05,300
jungles of Vietnam there's close the

698
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:06,440
story we don't have into the book but

699
00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:07,910
there's a story that they found a b-52

700
00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:09,800
in the middle of the jungle they have no

701
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:12,620
idea how it got there because when they

702
00:36:17,650 --> 00:36:14,930
kind of shades of the Bermuda Triangle

703
00:36:19,330 --> 00:36:17,660
something like that yes so it was a

704
00:36:20,590 --> 00:36:19,340
strange war too because young hate to

705
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,600
say it but there was a lot of drug use

706
00:36:25,210 --> 00:36:22,400
going on who knows what was going on

707
00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:25,220
really but yeah Vietnam had a lot

708
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:27,020
exciting and so did the Korean War and

709
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:29,390
why I had lots of sightings yes see that

710
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:32,110
done that I've heard about the ones in

711
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:35,470
Vietnam but not so much about the Korean

712
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:37,520
Conflict and can you give us a little

713
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,110
background on that

714
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:40,880
well the Korean Conflict is actually

715
00:36:46,030 --> 00:36:43,730
really important to the whole stories of

716
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,040
UFOs in the United States because

717
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:48,160
shortly before the Korean War started

718
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,370
the US Air Force at first after a study

719
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,280
came out saying that these flying

720
00:37:00,400 --> 00:36:58,400
saucers were not from Earth the F what

721
00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:00,410
says well that's not the answer we want

722
00:37:04,450 --> 00:37:02,630
so they came up with another study

723
00:37:07,570 --> 00:37:04,460
saying that anyone seen UFOs was either

724
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:07,580
a religious fanatic or someone who had

725
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:09,470
mental problems and then six months

726
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:10,650
later were in the middle

727
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:12,810
Korean wah now we're flying around and

728
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:14,370
jet fighters that have their own radar

729
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,290
on them plus you have radar on the

730
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,240
ground radar on ships and these UFOs

731
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:20,640
start showing up they're triangulating

732
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,530
them let's say you know you're seeing

733
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:25,280
them from three different sources and

734
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:28,680
and in in there were lots of them and

735
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:30,570
now the F was is in this position of

736
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:32,790
saying well they can't say all their

737
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:34,740
pilots are religious fanatics on need

738
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:37,490
you know mental Health's you know help

739
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:41,510
so that's what really spurred them on to

740
00:37:47,180 --> 00:37:45,570
stat Operation Blue Book not that it did

741
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:47,190
very much but at least that was their

742
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:48,780
way of saying well we have to kind of

743
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:51,570
look into this because just so many

744
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:53,930
pilots and there was so much evidence

745
00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:56,490
electronic evidence that UFOs were

746
00:38:02,420 --> 00:37:59,700
flying over the Korean film in Peninsula

747
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:02,430
during the entire war it spurred them on

748
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:04,830
to do something so Korean war is very

749
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:06,510
important in this whole kind of history

750
00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:09,450
of UFOs in the US I know you have one

751
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:14,180
story in your book where the the pilots

752
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:17,490
came across several UFOs that were just

753
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,810
absolutely tremendous in size and they

754
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,880
were there's absolutely shocked by what

755
00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:25,320
they were seeing you want to talk about

756
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:27,030
that a little bit right there was um

757
00:38:33,020 --> 00:38:31,110
there were three fighter bombers had

758
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:33,030
taken off from an aircraft carrier and

759
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:35,010
the Sea of Japan and they were on you

760
00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:36,450
know if there can be anything as a

761
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:38,550
routine bombing mission that's what they

762
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:40,500
were doing and just as they were

763
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,510
approaching the target these two you

764
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:44,880
know fantastically enormous flying

765
00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:47,880
saucers came upon them and I mean like I

766
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:49,740
believe they were you know half a mile

767
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:53,430
in size just you know 2,500 feet maybe

768
00:39:03,280 --> 00:38:59,940
and in in size radius of and it in in in

769
00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:03,290
did maneuvers did

770
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:05,790
aeronautical maneuvers that you just

771
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:08,280
didn't make any sense for something the

772
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:10,770
the dislodge they were basically flying

773
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:13,290
rings around these these three airplanes

774
00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:17,640
and showing all in a way yeah are

775
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:19,980
intimidating them who knows you know

776
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:21,210
what they were up to but they were seen

777
00:39:24,570 --> 00:39:23,850
by the pilots the pilots communication

778
00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:24,580
to their

779
00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:26,830
Karia was cut off but the that we seen

780
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:29,230
on radar from the aircraft carrying the

781
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:30,610
North Koreans must have seen them

782
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:32,650
because it prevented them from getting

783
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:34,570
bombed they they called off the bombing

784
00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:37,480
mission yeah and and and then they just

785
00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:40,870
like disappeared so quickly you know

786
00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:43,060
they moved you know out of the area so

787
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:44,440
quickly it was almost as if they had

788
00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:50,500
disappeared going going back to a world

789
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:54,460
war two now I know that I think the the

790
00:39:58,260 --> 00:39:56,110
last time that you are on a show you

791
00:40:00,300 --> 00:39:58,270
know we talked a little bit about you

792
00:40:03,930 --> 00:40:00,310
know the the legend of you know the

793
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:03,940
dirty Lockland and and things like that

794
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:06,010
I mean you know what do you think about

795
00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:11,290
the whole idea of manmade of flying

796
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:14,740
discs and and the possibility that Nazi

797
00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:17,080
Germany may have been one of the first

798
00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:20,980
to actually work on and even start

799
00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:22,120
developing you know this kind of

800
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,140
technology well I I don't believe at all

801
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:28,240
that the Nazi said any kind of help from

802
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:30,490
an alien race during World War two and

803
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:33,790
we go into that very extensively in UFOs

804
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:36,250
and war time and you know we could fill

805
00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:38,770
an entire show on that but you know the

806
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:40,900
one thing that you have to remember is

807
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,090
if they had alien help if they had a

808
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:45,760
base in Antarctica if they had a base on

809
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:47,560
the moon and so on you know why did they

810
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:50,290
lose the war you know so they were

811
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:51,760
spending all their time going to the

812
00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:56,560
moon and you know that like they had the

813
00:41:00,750 --> 00:40:57,910
first jet fighter for instance the

814
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:00,760
me-262 but they were so short on

815
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:03,730
materials at that time that the cockpit

816
00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:06,730
of M EC 262s was made of plywood and

817
00:41:12,270 --> 00:41:08,350
because they just didn't have the steel

818
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:12,280
and in other metals to make a cockpit

819
00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:13,930
that would at least help the pilot have

820
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,540
a chance of surviving something a lot of

821
00:41:21,450 --> 00:41:19,200
these one of the weapons that you hear

822
00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:21,460
about you know especially when people

823
00:41:25,950 --> 00:41:24,100
kind of make this Nazi alien connection

824
00:41:27,810 --> 00:41:25,960
a lot of them were you know there was

825
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:27,820
only what one or two of them made and

826
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:29,290
and some of them didn't even get off the

827
00:41:33,630 --> 00:41:30,610
ground and they were there more

828
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:33,640
desperation weapons than one two weapon

829
00:41:38,010 --> 00:41:36,130
I don't you know the the German

830
00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:38,020
engineers they did get into some

831
00:41:43,380 --> 00:41:40,840
interesting stuff as far as putting

832
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,390
together like jet bombers and rocket

833
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:45,040
planes and things like that but you know

834
00:41:48,090 --> 00:41:47,530
that was also going on in the US and the

835
00:41:51,150 --> 00:41:48,100
UK too

836
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:51,160
I mean the the US and the UK developed

837
00:41:55,260 --> 00:41:53,050
yet engines and a jet fighter just about

838
00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:55,270
the same time that the Germans did the

839
00:41:59,880 --> 00:41:57,430
fact is is that the Germans were in a

840
00:42:01,920 --> 00:41:59,890
desperate situation so they they they

841
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:01,930
built a number of these things Hitler

842
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,220
made a mistake he wanted them to be

843
00:42:07,110 --> 00:42:05,200
bombers that saved us about a year and a

844
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:07,120
half from having to deal with these

845
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:08,820
things don't when we did deal with them

846
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:11,950
we would just we did so it's just such

847
00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:13,780
overwhelming force that it really didn't

848
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:16,750
have any effect on the war you know so

849
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:19,240
so they were you know they're fantastic

850
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:20,950
engineers and they built some

851
00:42:26,970 --> 00:42:23,710
interesting airplanes but you know this

852
00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:26,980
whole idea of of alien help you know I

853
00:42:31,710 --> 00:42:29,470
just don't believe it and then of course

854
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:31,720
a lot of those German scientists wanna

855
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:34,780
Vern Braun and and hundreds of his

856
00:42:39,690 --> 00:42:37,690
colleagues came over here after World

857
00:42:41,610 --> 00:42:39,700
War two an Operation Paperclip which I'm

858
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:41,620
sure a lot of people know about and they

859
00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:44,590
form the foundation of NASA and and NASA

860
00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:46,900
put us on the moon so one thing that is

861
00:42:52,170 --> 00:42:49,540
for sure is that Nazi scientists helped

862
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,180
the u.s. go to the moon that's that as a

863
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:54,880
fact well they probably probably helped

864
00:42:59,760 --> 00:42:57,100
the Russians as well though I mean they

865
00:43:02,310 --> 00:42:59,770
well half of them about half went to

866
00:43:06,510 --> 00:43:02,320
Russia to a place called caboose tinea

867
00:43:09,330 --> 00:43:06,520
and they did help the Germans just like

868
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:09,340
they were helping us but you know

869
00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:11,530
whether we got the bed of scientists or

870
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:14,080
whether we had more money to throw at it

871
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:15,670
but you know we were the ones that that

872
00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:18,190
you know went to the moon yeah I don't

873
00:43:23,010 --> 00:43:20,200
think a scientist who went to Boonton

874
00:43:24,750 --> 00:43:23,020
yar were very happy about it I think

875
00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:24,760
probably the majority of them wish that

876
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:26,140
they had ended up in the United States

877
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:28,450
rather than you know they didn't have a

878
00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:30,130
good time of it that's a sure very few

879
00:43:34,290 --> 00:43:32,020
of them some of them did were allowed to

880
00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:34,300
go back to Germany after a while but but

881
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:37,600
but not many of them well what about

882
00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:42,970
some of this kind of strange technology

883
00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:45,580
that we hear that was being developed by

884
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:47,260
the the Nazi

885
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:49,690
the glocca with the you know the

886
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:53,140
bell-shaped object anti-gravity

887
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:55,090
electoral there's nothing like that is

888
00:43:58,980 --> 00:43:56,770
there's nothing to any of that and

889
00:44:02,040 --> 00:43:58,990
because after World War two

890
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:02,050
there were special units that if I were

891
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:04,180
going to have the grandson of someone

892
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:06,910
who was in the OSS at the time which was

893
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:10,290
the precursor of the CIA they sent out

894
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,480
squads of American soldiers who also

895
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,240
were kind of scientists and an

896
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:18,640
engineer's to look to try to find

897
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:21,580
anything that would be useful you know

898
00:44:25,410 --> 00:44:23,650
for our military and how about jet

899
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:25,420
engines and so on and so forth that you

900
00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:27,670
believe me if they came upon anything

901
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:29,350
having to do with anti-gravitational

902
00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:32,560
technology or any of the stuff that you

903
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:35,380
hear about we would have it now you know

904
00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:37,720
and in and we'd be using it just like we

905
00:44:41,850 --> 00:44:39,400
use their expertise to get on the moon

906
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:41,860
well we did we did do it we did do a

907
00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:44,740
program just a couple of weeks ago where

908
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:46,990
we talked about the so-called secret

909
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:51,180
space program and how there may be some

910
00:44:58,050 --> 00:44:54,010
unidentified aircraft that are floating

911
00:45:02,430 --> 00:44:58,060
by overhead that are being manufactured

912
00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:02,440
here on earth well I I hate to be the

913
00:45:07,050 --> 00:45:04,030
bucket of cold water but I don't believe

914
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,060
any of that for this reason if we had a

915
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:09,760
secret space program you know and as big

916
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:11,710
as some people you know claim it is

917
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:14,650
where's the logistics that would have to

918
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:16,210
support something like that where is

919
00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:19,090
that where with the diversion of Cape

920
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:21,220
Canaveral who who are the engineers that

921
00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:22,630
work for them where do you get the fuel

922
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:24,280
where do you get the electronics there

923
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:25,650
would have to be thousands of people

924
00:45:30,810 --> 00:45:28,210
involved in this and these days as you

925
00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:30,820
know no one can keep a secret the guys

926
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:33,940
who shot bin Laden and SEAL Team six who

927
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:36,190
took an oath never to talk about that

928
00:45:40,350 --> 00:45:38,020
until they you don't pass their dying

929
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,360
day you know they've written books they

930
00:45:45,060 --> 00:45:41,920
were on Howard Stern for God's sakes

931
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:45,070
okay you could not keep a secret space

932
00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:48,370
program secret in this country you just

933
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,680
couldn't do it someone would talk well

934
00:45:56,130 --> 00:45:52,960
whatever we haven't has that the

935
00:45:58,170 --> 00:45:56,140
government kept the UFOs in general

936
00:45:59,820 --> 00:45:58,180
secret well I don't believe that the

937
00:46:00,600 --> 00:45:59,830
government knows what UFOs are I think

938
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:00,610
that the

939
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:03,010
knows UFOs exist and I think we all do

940
00:46:06,510 --> 00:46:05,050
because there's so much evidence that

941
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:06,520
there is something out there that they

942
00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:08,770
do exist I'm sure they have them on film

943
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:10,780
I'm sure who knows what kind of evidence

944
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:12,790
they have but I don't believe that the

945
00:46:17,850 --> 00:46:16,060
US military knows what they are I think

946
00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:17,860
they're just about just as much in the

947
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:20,350
doc about it as we are so you don't

948
00:46:25,260 --> 00:46:23,170
think that there's any little men and

949
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:25,270
freezers somewhere or that there's

950
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:29,410
wreckage from UFOs no because we would

951
00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:31,270
we would find out about it now if they

952
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,400
had the Roswell UFO and it you know

953
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:35,680
knows back in the late 40s they would

954
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:37,240
have taken in the pot by now they would

955
00:46:42,810 --> 00:46:38,770
have reversed engineered it you would

956
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:42,820
assume are in in once again it would

957
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:46,060
leak out you cannot keep a secret these

958
00:46:49,740 --> 00:46:47,770
days you just cannot keep a secret

959
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:49,750
someone would talk someone would go to

960
00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:51,730
60 minutes and make themselves a million

961
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:54,070
dollars saying this is a this is a piece

962
00:47:00,690 --> 00:46:57,190
of a UFO it hasn't happened we don't see

963
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:00,700
any evidence of reverse engineered stuff

964
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,050
from UFOs or any kind of

965
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:04,240
extraterrestrial craft I just think it's

966
00:47:08,310 --> 00:47:06,910
the biggest as big a mystery to our

967
00:47:12,810 --> 00:47:08,320
government and governments around the

968
00:47:15,570 --> 00:47:12,820
world as it is to us and they just won't

969
00:47:18,090 --> 00:47:15,580
admit at them they won't a bit well they

970
00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:18,100
don't want to be yeah they can't they

971
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:19,630
can't go and say that hey yeah you know

972
00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:30,870
that you know you talk about the

973
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:32,470
everyone talks about all I you know you

974
00:47:37,830 --> 00:47:35,230
reveal that aliens or UFOs exist and

975
00:47:39,390 --> 00:47:37,840
that it would scare everyone well it's

976
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:39,400
care of worse if they didn't know what

977
00:47:46,350 --> 00:47:41,590
was going on oh I hear that I hear the

978
00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:46,360
music Tim the wider what our break and

979
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:48,940
we'll come back and continue our

980
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:51,250
conversation about the military and

981
00:48:03,760 --> 00:47:54,490
weird mysteries on exploring the bizarre

982
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:08,520
[Music]

983
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:11,610
explore the bazaars

984
00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:14,350
or e-ticket ride into the world of the

985
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:15,480
paranormal

986
00:48:23,090 --> 00:48:18,790
strap yourself in as we traverse the

987
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:23,100
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

988
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:27,520
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

989
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:31,690
as well as other dimensions it's time to

990
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:36,160
take back the night now your

991
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:38,410
electrifying hosts of exploring the

992
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:47,280
here we are in the second hour of

993
00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:50,350
exploring the bizarre Tim and tonight

994
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:52,540
we're talking with Jim miles and Mack

995
00:49:02,070 --> 00:48:56,650
Maloney and I think I have a question

996
00:49:05,970 --> 00:49:02,080
for Jim concerning his his most recent

997
00:49:08,610 --> 00:49:05,980
book mysteries of Georgia's military

998
00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:08,620
bases and I have to say that I've

999
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:12,280
thoroughly enjoyed this book but I want

1000
00:49:21,450 --> 00:49:16,720
to ask about the the section about Fort

1001
00:49:23,820 --> 00:49:21,460
Benning and Lawson Army Airfield man it

1002
00:49:26,070 --> 00:49:23,830
just seems like everything is going on

1003
00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:26,080
there I mean you've got ghosts and

1004
00:49:32,910 --> 00:49:30,100
hauntings and Bigfoots and UFOs and time

1005
00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:32,920
slips and you know I'm surprised there

1006
00:49:37,470 --> 00:49:35,860
isn't a vortex with you know devils and

1007
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:37,480
pitchforks coming out of it as well

1008
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:39,160
there's just you know everything going

1009
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:43,530
or what is it about that place that is

1010
00:49:50,310 --> 00:49:45,910
it just makes it such a hot spot of

1011
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:50,320
activity I think it's because of the

1012
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,890
size and the age of the facility it's

1013
00:50:02,960 --> 00:49:58,800
concise it's about two Georgia counties

1014
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:02,970
they have vast areas for training and

1015
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:06,370
that's where Bigfoot shows up you only

1016
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,270
find big feet at the army bases and

1017
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:12,880
there's a couple of those in Fort

1018
00:50:17,970 --> 00:50:15,010
Benning the English with Benning it is

1019
00:50:20,610 --> 00:50:17,980
ghosts and UFOs all those men have gone

1020
00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:20,620
off to fight so many of them haven't

1021
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:21,940
come home

1022
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:27,249
what happened to them and while they're

1023
00:50:33,749 --> 00:50:29,940
gone they're their wives and children

1024
00:50:36,329 --> 00:50:33,759
waiting very anxiously I just think of

1025
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:36,339
the the book and the movie Were Soldiers

1026
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:40,900
Once and young which focus is on the

1027
00:50:48,019 --> 00:50:44,170
families of the wooded jets come in so

1028
00:50:51,329 --> 00:50:48,029
all of that anxiety the the morning

1029
00:50:56,789 --> 00:50:51,339
everything just contributes to make it

1030
00:50:58,829 --> 00:50:56,799
up a special paranormal place what tell

1031
00:51:02,519 --> 00:50:58,839
us some of your your favorite ghost

1032
00:51:06,539 --> 00:51:02,529
stories that you know you you ran across

1033
00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:06,549
while while researching this book in him

1034
00:51:14,279 --> 00:51:08,380
you know buddy the the four painting

1035
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:14,289
area okay yeah in Fort Benning there are

1036
00:51:21,019 --> 00:51:17,650
people who start up sort of support

1037
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:21,029
groups hmm because they have so many

1038
00:51:27,779 --> 00:51:24,549
sightings there and there have been

1039
00:51:30,509 --> 00:51:27,789
women who have tried to go to the

1040
00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:30,519
housing authorities and asking them

1041
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:32,709
don't rent this this place out don't

1042
00:51:38,939 --> 00:51:36,400
don't put another family in here because

1043
00:51:40,739 --> 00:51:38,949
with that this experience the way the

1044
00:51:45,059 --> 00:51:40,749
four odds told us that she had this

1045
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,069
experience there one of the one that

1046
00:51:51,269 --> 00:51:47,920
made the most impact on me was a woman

1047
00:51:54,299 --> 00:51:51,279
she moved into this house and it had

1048
00:51:57,229 --> 00:51:54,309
paranormal activity now sometimes when

1049
00:52:01,289 --> 00:51:57,239
you have a situation like this the

1050
00:52:04,739 --> 00:52:01,299
spirits will single out one person or

1051
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:04,749
special potential hmm and this this

1052
00:52:10,589 --> 00:52:06,729
woman which was in the house for long

1053
00:52:12,809 --> 00:52:10,599
periods of time she would become very

1054
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:12,819
listless she would go to the hospital

1055
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:15,400
and they say your blood counts are very

1056
00:52:21,449 --> 00:52:17,410
very low we need to give you a

1057
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,459
transfusion and this continues and they

1058
00:52:26,489 --> 00:52:23,440
did every test on the woman to see if

1059
00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:26,499
there was a problem to see where the

1060
00:52:31,170 --> 00:52:28,660
blood might be going but they could

1061
00:52:33,870 --> 00:52:31,180
never find it and when the family took a

1062
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:33,880
two-week vacation back to their home in

1063
00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:35,530
the north

1064
00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:39,820
she returned to normal health hmm when

1065
00:52:44,430 --> 00:52:41,950
she got back to a quart of anyhow she

1066
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:44,440
got sick again and she would spend as

1067
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:46,450
much time outdoors as she possibly could

1068
00:52:51,810 --> 00:52:48,880
and of course during the fall in winter

1069
00:52:55,020 --> 00:52:51,820
she had spent time indoors and she just

1070
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:55,030
got sicker and sicker every test was

1071
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:57,610
performed on her he never could find

1072
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:01,200
anything wrong with it

1073
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:03,490
finally they finished their tour there

1074
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,250
and they moved I think to a place in

1075
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:08,800
Kentucky and a couple weeks after that

1076
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:10,810
her doctor said you're in perfect health

1077
00:53:21,090 --> 00:53:18,730
yeah just a toxic atmosphere yeah well

1078
00:53:24,660 --> 00:53:21,100
you know Jim I have a question

1079
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:24,670
how about is for is abductions any any

1080
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:27,370
abductions going on on any of these

1081
00:53:33,390 --> 00:53:32,650
military bases in Georgia no not at

1082
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:33,400
ructions

1083
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:37,390
the UFOs at the military bases seem to

1084
00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:42,370
just be observing the most dramatic UFO

1085
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:45,640
encounter came from hunter army airfield

1086
00:53:53,790 --> 00:53:48,880
in savannah which is the airport for

1087
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:53,800
Fort Stewart in the fall of 1973 there

1088
00:53:59,930 --> 00:53:56,110
was an unprecedented number of UFO

1089
00:54:02,750 --> 00:53:59,940
sightings in across the entire base

1090
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:02,760
across the entire state of Georgia and

1091
00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:08,040
on September 8 1973 there were two mtv's

1092
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:10,390
patrolling along perimeter roads and

1093
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:15,010
they saw a very UFO very close-up and

1094
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:17,890
they thought that's interesting and so

1095
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:20,770
they went about their patrol in the news

1096
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:23,370
later the UFO was back and dole at them

1097
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:26,670
they said it barely missed the car and

1098
00:54:33,860 --> 00:54:29,650
they ducked they ran off the road into a

1099
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:33,870
ditch it took him 15 minutes to

1100
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:36,970
extricate the car and all the while the

1101
00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:39,370
UFO was hovering 50 yards or waiting as

1102
00:54:44,550 --> 00:54:42,100
if it were watching them to follow them

1103
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:44,560
back to headquarters and stayed there

1104
00:54:48,780 --> 00:54:47,410
until they were inside and then it's or

1105
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:48,790
what

1106
00:54:55,470 --> 00:54:52,720
now he's asked their superiors how do we

1107
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:55,480
report this they were told there is no

1108
00:55:01,260 --> 00:54:58,570
home for UFOs anymore we just write it

1109
00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:01,270
up as an accident report they're

1110
00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:03,990
perfectly honest about the report and

1111
00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:06,790
then what you say they made a bail out

1112
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:08,260
of that they made him fill out an

1113
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:11,940
accident report yes an accident report

1114
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:15,850
okay now this accident report started

1115
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:18,850
changing first one of the MPS said well

1116
00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:20,440
we didn't actually get stuck in the

1117
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:23,380
ditch and then the duty officer said

1118
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:25,000
well they didn't really leave the road

1119
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:28,390
either and reporters wanted to talk to

1120
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:31,240
them and they made appointments but then

1121
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:34,360
they wouldn't keep them and be based in

1122
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:35,770
commissioned officer said well there's

1123
00:55:40,460 --> 00:55:38,770
been some changes here but I can't tell

1124
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:40,470
you what it is

1125
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:44,370
finally they said okay the empties are

1126
00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:47,530
available you can talk to them the port

1127
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:50,320
is called empty that doesn't on wienies

1128
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,200
off base and that was the end of it well

1129
00:56:03,300 --> 00:55:58,480
you know you do relate in the in the

1130
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,310
book the story of John Vasquez am i

1131
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:05,920
pronouncing that right which I remember

1132
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:09,150
huh I believe it

1133
00:56:17,730 --> 00:56:12,940
yeah okay I I believe that I had some

1134
00:56:22,590 --> 00:56:17,740
correspondence with him years ago when I

1135
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:22,600
was publishing the UFO review newspaper

1136
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:25,210
that I put out for a while but he had he

1137
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:29,770
had a close encounter more than a close

1138
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:31,810
encounter that's why were but most

1139
00:56:39,350 --> 00:56:34,200
bizarre stories I've ever come across

1140
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:39,360
can you capitalize capsized that for us

1141
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:42,970
yeah in 1977 John Beck was were

1142
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:47,200
stationed at Fort Benning he told a long

1143
00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:50,760
story which sort of came back to him in

1144
00:56:56,940 --> 00:56:54,100
1984 I believe and then in the win

1145
00:56:59,820 --> 00:56:56,950
hypnosis and recall the whole story that

1146
00:57:03,990 --> 00:56:59,830
nine the Fort Benning a UFO

1147
00:57:07,170 --> 00:57:04,000
attacked his unit and then we're running

1148
00:57:09,540 --> 00:57:07,180
under the barracks and hiding you thrown

1149
00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:09,550
away the men woke up next morning they

1150
00:57:16,650 --> 00:57:11,350
were disoriented and their clothing was

1151
00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:16,660
all disarranged then there came a long

1152
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:20,260
story about his unit going on a patrol

1153
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:24,510
and somehow they became renegades and

1154
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:27,370
there were soldiers chasing them with a

1155
00:57:32,610 --> 00:57:30,190
tank and artillery and he described

1156
00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:32,620
actual fighting between his unit and

1157
00:57:41,730 --> 00:57:37,870
other army units no way that part I

1158
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:41,740
hadn't heard yeah it's all ones book

1159
00:57:47,550 --> 00:57:45,010
incident at Fort Benning then they get

1160
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:47,560
the road and he has been out there

1161
00:57:53,580 --> 00:57:51,280
they steal like two trucks for Jeeps

1162
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:53,590
three locking people in closets they're

1163
00:58:01,860 --> 00:57:56,410
breaking in the buildings he swears

1164
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:01,870
there were no officers our sergeants

1165
00:58:08,460 --> 00:58:04,810
around they were just all by themselves

1166
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,470
and they encounter a pond as they have

1167
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:11,200
to across and apparently there was a lot

1168
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:13,770
in this monster type thing in that pond

1169
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:16,240
which attacked them and injured one of

1170
00:58:21,930 --> 00:58:19,540
the men it's a bizarre story now you

1171
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:21,940
find you give this enema do you give

1172
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:23,110
this any credibility

1173
00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:27,310
I do not okay everyone that's

1174
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:30,760
straightforward enough yeah now the big

1175
00:58:35,370 --> 00:58:33,130
story is after all this is over

1176
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:35,380
they're back in formation or another day

1177
00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:39,610
and the UFO arrives and attacks them and

1178
00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:41,470
it's spitting out little balls of wanted

1179
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,900
the men knocking them out to different

1180
00:58:48,810 --> 00:58:46,000
in helicopters army helicopters show up

1181
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:48,820
and they're shot down and they've got a

1182
00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:51,910
tank firing at the UFO and and John

1183
00:58:58,650 --> 00:58:55,300
Vasquez had himself leading rule all of

1184
00:59:02,970 --> 00:58:58,660
these things okay half the book almost

1185
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:02,980
are his documentation he spent years

1186
00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:05,470
writing hundreds of letters to everybody

1187
00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:08,380
you can imagine trying to get proof off

1188
00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:11,470
this board right his finally proof was

1189
00:59:16,510 --> 00:59:12,980
he found there was a measles

1190
00:59:18,609 --> 00:59:16,520
measles outbreak a 14 men some

1191
00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:18,619
helicopters needed superficial repairs

1192
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:22,540
and there was an a-10 attack

1193
00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:26,030
exercise at that time he swore all of

1194
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:31,430
this was evidence of the attack and he

1195
00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:32,990
swears that when he didn't get any

1196
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:36,220
information somehow that constituted

1197
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:39,770
documentation others of his sort I think

1198
00:59:45,250 --> 00:59:42,170
he did fine I think he did find one

1199
00:59:49,090 --> 00:59:45,260
other witness or or somebody we found

1200
00:59:52,090 --> 00:59:49,100
yeah he found two witnesses who

1201
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:52,100
originally were on the name that later

1202
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:55,010
became named these two guys had known

1203
01:00:00,970 --> 00:59:58,250
themselves since childhood which to me

1204
01:00:03,490 --> 01:00:00,980
rehna throw red flags and one of them

1205
01:00:06,099 --> 01:00:03,500
died supposedly of cancer after a UFO

1206
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:06,109
would have hit him with a beam and I

1207
01:00:15,849 --> 01:00:11,270
don't find it both stories that would as

1208
01:00:18,490 --> 01:00:15,859
well at the really end he says I didn't

1209
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:18,500
have documentation here he would think

1210
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:20,510
this was the contrived science fiction

1211
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:23,359
novel first thing they did in my mind

1212
01:00:29,020 --> 01:00:26,510
was that is like bad contrived defined

1213
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:29,030
fiction novel well one would almost

1214
01:00:33,730 --> 01:00:32,090
wonder though why why go to the extent

1215
01:00:36,070 --> 01:00:33,740
of doing this I mean it's not like your

1216
01:00:39,070 --> 01:00:36,080
book is going to become a best-seller

1217
01:00:43,380 --> 01:00:39,080
and people are going to flock you know

1218
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,390
to your door for more information I mean

1219
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:45,680
yeah it would seem that there must have

1220
01:00:51,790 --> 01:00:49,730
been something that sparked a belief it

1221
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:51,800
could have been some sort of you know

1222
01:00:56,620 --> 01:00:54,410
hallucination caused by how about a

1223
01:01:00,010 --> 01:00:56,630
government experiment perhaps we know

1224
01:01:02,980 --> 01:01:00,020
that the government was there doing

1225
01:01:07,180 --> 01:01:02,990
experiments with LSD back in the in the

1226
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:07,190
50s he did suggest that that was a

1227
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:10,640
possibility but in his investigation he

1228
01:01:15,220 --> 01:01:13,369
was always trying to prove that there

1229
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:15,230
was physical evidence of an alien attack

1230
01:01:21,250 --> 01:01:18,140
yeah and also two that they might have

1231
01:01:23,530 --> 01:01:21,260
doused you you know with the lucky

1232
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:23,540
sunshine in a purple haze once or twice

1233
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:25,850
but it it doesn't seem like they would

1234
01:01:29,290 --> 01:01:26,570
be

1235
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:29,300
able to control an entire story like

1236
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:33,170
that you know coming out it would be a

1237
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:35,630
pretty loose ended if you're you know

1238
01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:38,570
have hallucinate it something you know I

1239
01:01:43,090 --> 01:01:40,760
mean I I can't say they've had too much

1240
01:01:46,210 --> 01:01:43,100
experience with that but I did one night

1241
01:01:48,970 --> 01:01:46,220
trip out listening to Jimi Hendrix I

1242
01:01:50,410 --> 01:01:48,980
never did I never did any mescaline or

1243
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:50,420
anything after that I figure well this

1244
01:01:54,610 --> 01:01:52,190
is the height of the experience man

1245
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:54,620
you know you're not going to get any

1246
01:02:00,460 --> 01:01:56,720
better than than this you know but even

1247
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:00,470
then you can tell III would assume at

1248
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:03,650
least I did did it's a hallucination you

1249
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:04,880
know you're sitting there and you're

1250
01:02:08,110 --> 01:02:06,410
watching this so you're saying the

1251
01:02:09,850 --> 01:02:08,120
musical notes are not really coming out

1252
01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:09,860
of the speakers he's not really

1253
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:13,190
levitating you know five feet off the

1254
01:02:18,730 --> 01:02:16,400
stage I don't think but you knew you

1255
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:18,740
knew that you had you had taken

1256
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:21,890
something now I'm gonna blame it on Jim

1257
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:25,280
Mosley you know if if if you had

1258
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:28,010
soldiers that were you know dosed with

1259
01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:30,290
something they had no idea you know that

1260
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,150
they had been dosed and I do know that

1261
01:02:39,070 --> 01:02:35,200
there were you know MKULTRA experiments

1262
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:39,080
where they would those soldiers and then

1263
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:41,690
put them outside and then shine bright

1264
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:44,810
lights searchlights on them you know in

1265
01:02:48,670 --> 01:02:46,670
the dark just to see what would happen

1266
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:48,680
with them so you know some of the

1267
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:51,200
aspects of this story sounds really

1268
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:53,360
similar to some of these earlier types

1269
01:03:00,580 --> 01:02:57,710
of LSD experiments sure now have you

1270
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,590
done any investigation on the Rendlesham

1271
01:03:07,090 --> 01:03:02,960
forest I mean are you up to date as up

1272
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,100
to speed on that yes yep we've had Peter

1273
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:09,680
Robbins on a number of times and we've

1274
01:03:13,660 --> 01:03:11,510
talked about that with with Paul you

1275
01:03:16,990 --> 01:03:13,670
know that's an interesting case because

1276
01:03:18,610 --> 01:03:17,000
there's well first of all there's a lot

1277
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:18,620
of stuff that is written about that that

1278
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:21,020
tends to go to what Jim was talking

1279
01:03:25,810 --> 01:03:23,450
about how it's it's these things that

1280
01:03:29,830 --> 01:03:25,820
just seemed like flights of fancy more

1281
01:03:31,570 --> 01:03:29,840
than actual incidents yeah that there

1282
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:31,580
are underground bases there and all the

1283
01:03:36,970 --> 01:03:33,440
other stuff but there's no doubt about

1284
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:36,980
what happened with with Colonel halt

1285
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:39,380
major halt when he went into the

1286
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:41,210
wrists and because you can hear his

1287
01:03:46,269 --> 01:03:43,910
voice on the tape recorder basically

1288
01:03:48,609 --> 01:03:46,279
telling you what he's seeing there are a

1289
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:48,619
lot of people a number of witnesses who

1290
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:50,240
saw what happened there those two nights

1291
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:52,490
but it's a very strange part of England

1292
01:03:56,740 --> 01:03:54,650
too because not only were these two

1293
01:03:59,589 --> 01:03:56,750
basses there right next to each other

1294
01:04:03,190 --> 01:03:59,599
but there was a NSA listening post not

1295
01:04:04,839 --> 01:04:03,200
too far away they hadn't we mean the

1296
01:04:08,190 --> 01:04:04,849
United States had nuclear weapons there

1297
01:04:10,359 --> 01:04:08,200
and nuclear weapons were not allowed on

1298
01:04:12,249 --> 01:04:10,369
British territory yet and they were

1299
01:04:15,130 --> 01:04:12,259
there there was a lot of interesting

1300
01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:15,140
things going on at those bases when this

1301
01:04:23,319 --> 01:04:19,220
thing happened you know there had been

1302
01:04:26,980 --> 01:04:23,329
reports of other weird phenomena before

1303
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:26,990
that particular incident back in 1980

1304
01:04:34,990 --> 01:04:30,470
right and you know that's in the East

1305
01:04:36,819 --> 01:04:35,000
Anglia part of the UK and there for

1306
01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:36,829
whatever reason there are lots of

1307
01:04:41,620 --> 01:04:39,710
paranormal this seems to be lots of

1308
01:04:45,609 --> 01:04:41,630
paranormal activity in that part of the

1309
01:04:50,859 --> 01:04:45,619
UK during the 50s they had what can only

1310
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:50,869
be described as a almost like a bomber

1311
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:53,450
force of UFOs coming straight for the UK

1312
01:04:59,799 --> 01:04:57,410
and they sent up American Sabre jets and

1313
01:05:01,210 --> 01:04:59,809
they saw some fantastic things but they

1314
01:05:03,460 --> 01:05:01,220
were they were flying in a formation

1315
01:05:04,690 --> 01:05:03,470
like Obama formation which really scared

1316
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:04,700
a lot of people because of course they

1317
01:05:07,690 --> 01:05:06,049
thought they were the Russians at first

1318
01:05:09,789 --> 01:05:07,700
and then they send up these interceptors

1319
01:05:12,370 --> 01:05:09,799
and they say now these things the disks

1320
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:12,380
and they look like flying saucers on and

1321
01:05:18,460 --> 01:05:16,160
on but for some for whatever reason that

1322
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:18,470
part of the UK is you know haunted or

1323
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:22,130
however you want to call it would you

1324
01:05:28,749 --> 01:05:26,720
say that okay what would you say if our

1325
01:05:31,870 --> 01:05:28,759
as your research and investigation goes

1326
01:05:35,890 --> 01:05:31,880
is like one of the most bizarre accounts

1327
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:35,900
that you've heard well good question

1328
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:41,240
because of course the the as far as you

1329
01:05:47,019 --> 01:05:44,930
know UFOs the whole you know history and

1330
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:47,029
it went on for a decade of UFOs showing

1331
01:05:52,930 --> 01:05:51,490
up over our ICBM bases is just

1332
01:05:54,790 --> 01:05:52,940
fascinating because there

1333
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:54,800
just so many witnesses and so much

1334
01:06:01,500 --> 01:05:57,440
evidence that something was going on

1335
01:06:04,540 --> 01:06:01,510
UFOs would show up regularly over these

1336
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:04,550
ICBM launch pads because these things

1337
01:06:09,339 --> 01:06:06,290
are spread out all over the desert and

1338
01:06:10,839 --> 01:06:09,349
all over the prairies and and they would

1339
01:06:12,550 --> 01:06:10,849
fly over them and they would shut them

1340
01:06:16,329 --> 01:06:12,560
off they would retarget them they would

1341
01:06:17,829 --> 01:06:16,339
do all these things you know and a lot

1342
01:06:19,089 --> 01:06:17,839
of people look at that as saying well

1343
01:06:20,980 --> 01:06:19,099
you know that what's gonna try to

1344
01:06:23,890 --> 01:06:20,990
protect us from ourselves but I think

1345
01:06:25,390 --> 01:06:23,900
it's more of a way of saying you know we

1346
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:25,400
know what these things down we want you

1347
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:27,890
to know that you know technology is way

1348
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:29,510
better than yours these things would

1349
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:31,490
happen had happened in the Ukraine and

1350
01:06:36,670 --> 01:06:34,970
and Russia as well but you know the two

1351
01:06:38,349 --> 01:06:36,680
things that two stories that really

1352
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:38,359
stick out in my mind they don't really

1353
01:06:44,050 --> 01:06:40,730
have to do with flying saucers they have

1354
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:44,060
to do with the the ghost fliers of 1931

1355
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:48,319
up in Scandinavia people saw for about

1356
01:06:52,569 --> 01:06:50,329
six months way way up near the Arctic

1357
01:06:54,490 --> 01:06:52,579
Circle in Sweden these very strange

1358
01:06:56,620 --> 01:06:54,500
airplanes flying over they were enormous

1359
01:06:59,740 --> 01:06:56,630
they had eight engines if they had

1360
01:07:02,290 --> 01:06:59,750
pontoons as if there was she planes and

1361
01:07:05,319 --> 01:07:02,300
and they would do some strange things

1362
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:05,329
they would circle these little villages

1363
01:07:10,089 --> 01:07:07,760
isolated villages how is at a time they

1364
01:07:12,130 --> 01:07:10,099
would fly in blizzards they would do all

1365
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,140
these kind of very very strange things

1366
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:14,240
and then when the Air Force oh whatever

1367
01:07:17,470 --> 01:07:15,770
Swedish Air Force was like back then

1368
01:07:19,540 --> 01:07:17,480
went up to look for them they would

1369
01:07:23,260 --> 01:07:19,550
disappear and then they just went away

1370
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,270
altogether those are the ghost flies and

1371
01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:26,480
then in 1946 in the same area of Sweden

1372
01:07:29,859 --> 01:07:27,740
they had the ghost rockets where

1373
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:29,869
thousands of people saw these rockets

1374
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:32,810
going overhead in the summer of 1946

1375
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:34,609
someone landed in lakes and then

1376
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:36,290
disappeared others were seen doing

1377
01:07:42,130 --> 01:07:39,410
maneuvers a Swedish pilot got up close

1378
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:42,140
to one and his description is a

1379
01:07:46,990 --> 01:07:44,329
description almost exactly over one day

1380
01:07:49,050 --> 01:07:47,000
cruise missile they never found out

1381
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:49,060
where they came from they just suddenly

1382
01:07:54,010 --> 01:07:52,130
disappeared those through the ghost

1383
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:54,020
wires and the ghost rockets above and

1384
01:07:58,960 --> 01:07:56,450
beyond UFO sightings just fascinating

1385
01:08:01,390 --> 01:07:58,970
mysteries to me you know what are you

1386
01:08:04,510 --> 01:08:01,400
familiar with the I think it's the one

1387
01:08:06,109 --> 01:08:04,520
world war one story of the Angels I

1388
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:06,119
believe over France

1389
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:11,039
angels of Mons rods yes yes it's you

1390
01:08:14,809 --> 01:08:13,170
know it was a story that was carried in

1391
01:08:16,579 --> 01:08:14,819
the British papers at the very beginning

1392
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:16,589
of World War one there was a British

1393
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:19,020
exhibition expeditionary force that was

1394
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:21,449
small and there's this enormous German

1395
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:24,120
force coming into Belgium that was going

1396
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:26,130
to basically invade France the another

1397
01:08:30,919 --> 01:08:28,679
the British smaller force at least

1398
01:08:32,689 --> 01:08:30,929
delayed them they didn't defeat them in

1399
01:08:35,149 --> 01:08:32,699
this battle but they delayed the advance

1400
01:08:37,700 --> 01:08:35,159
and later on the story started

1401
01:08:40,669 --> 01:08:37,710
circulating that that the British had

1402
01:08:43,459 --> 01:08:40,679
held from these heavenly arches people

1403
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:43,469
angels with bows and arrows slaying the

1404
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:44,940
Germans and then there was reports that

1405
01:08:49,129 --> 01:08:47,250
you know people saw German soldiers with

1406
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:49,139
arrows you know sticking out of them and

1407
01:08:52,879 --> 01:08:50,730
everything a lot of it was laid to

1408
01:08:54,979 --> 01:08:52,889
British intelligence help hoping to

1409
01:08:56,570 --> 01:08:54,989
raise them around of the British people

1410
01:09:00,740 --> 01:08:56,580
at the time when what one was calling

1411
01:09:02,090 --> 01:09:00,750
pretty badly but you know again kind of

1412
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:02,100
a fascinating story yeah it's called the

1413
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:05,699
angels of Mons mo Ennis and there's

1414
01:09:10,450 --> 01:09:08,250
there's another incidence or case that's

1415
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:10,460
always intrigued me it's about the

1416
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:13,920
battalion that disappeared into the into

1417
01:09:21,289 --> 01:09:17,279
the fog bank right that happened in in

1418
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:21,299
Turkey during Gallipoli yes yes where

1419
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:22,710
they were just it was just one of these

1420
01:09:30,649 --> 01:09:25,920
things where you know you know I don't

1421
01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:30,659
want to you know you know disparage the

1422
01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:32,219
British but sometimes you know they were

1423
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:35,219
pretty crude in how they would you know

1424
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:37,049
send their forces into battle basically

1425
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:40,049
just pouring were men into slaughter you

1426
01:09:46,729 --> 01:09:43,759
know and and there was this one you know

1427
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:46,739
brigade or a division of soldiers that

1428
01:09:50,629 --> 01:09:49,170
at once again had lots of witnesses

1429
01:09:52,370 --> 01:09:50,639
around because this is the height of a

1430
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,380
battle a huge battle and they just went

1431
01:09:58,370 --> 01:09:55,440
into this small fog bank whatever and

1432
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,380
and disappeared and we're never seen

1433
01:10:03,860 --> 01:10:01,440
again you know now what sometimes people

1434
01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:03,870
that lost blown up and you're missing in

1435
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:05,880
action for what we're talking about how

1436
01:10:11,090 --> 01:10:08,760
many people in that brigade though boy

1437
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:11,100
it was several hundred anyway if I

1438
01:10:16,830 --> 01:10:13,440
remember it right it was a large number

1439
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:22,680
the equivalent of the defense secretary

1440
01:10:26,970 --> 01:10:24,010
I guess you could call it the British

1441
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:26,980
defense even he said something very

1442
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:29,890
strange happened here we can't figure it

1443
01:10:34,650 --> 01:10:33,310
out so you know who knows who knows what

1444
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,660
happened but very strange story

1445
01:10:38,340 --> 01:10:36,880
interesting story yeah it was a movie

1446
01:10:40,140 --> 01:10:38,350
made on this a couple of years ago I

1447
01:10:45,450 --> 01:10:40,150
don't think it got very much airplay I

1448
01:10:49,470 --> 01:10:45,460
saw it on cable TV or something oh here

1449
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:49,480
we go alright we'll be back for our last

1450
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,330
segment in just a few minutes in Buckley

1451
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:55,120
at Timmy Schwartz talking about the

1452
01:11:07,460 --> 01:10:58,690
military and UFOs and Bigfoot

1453
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:11,580
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1454
01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:14,170
two of the most electrifying researchers

1455
01:11:24,420 --> 01:11:17,500
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1456
01:11:29,370 --> 01:11:24,430
Lee and team sports so here we are Tim

1457
01:11:30,930 --> 01:11:29,380
at the bottom of the show just got less

1458
01:11:35,610 --> 01:11:30,940
than a half hour left to go

1459
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:35,620
oh no way no and well you know I I want

1460
01:11:42,060 --> 01:11:38,590
to open this half hour and for a I guess

1461
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:42,070
kind of a round robin here we can throw

1462
01:11:48,270 --> 01:11:46,210
our hats into the ring or our helmets I

1463
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:48,280
guess our military helmets into the ring

1464
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:52,570
and take it around the table let's start

1465
01:12:00,570 --> 01:11:56,130
out with the gym with this question

1466
01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:00,580
back in the early I guess late 1940s and

1467
01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:05,340
early 1950s there were a number of

1468
01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:08,920
confrontations between the the Air Force

1469
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:12,100
and and UFOs I mean there there were

1470
01:12:18,620 --> 01:12:14,980
supposedly a shoot shoot them down order

1471
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:18,630
and and we do know that Captain Thomas

1472
01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:23,820
Mantell kind of a disappeared off the

1473
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:28,060
off the radar over Kentucky after

1474
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:30,600
chasing a UFO whether it was a

1475
01:12:36,210 --> 01:12:33,370
legitimate UFO or weather balloon or

1476
01:12:39,060 --> 01:12:36,220
something along that line do you know in

1477
01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:39,070
your research any confrontations similar

1478
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:44,020
to that I pretty much confined my

1479
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:46,930
interest to the state of Georgia and

1480
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:49,330
there's nothing like that ever happened

1481
01:12:54,540 --> 01:12:51,970
here although here in Robins Air Force

1482
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:54,550
Base in the late 40s and early sixties

1483
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:00,480
there were three well-documented UFOs

1484
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:06,510
seen by Air Force officers NCOs and

1485
01:13:12,150 --> 01:13:09,490
highly trained civilians who worked at

1486
01:13:14,910 --> 01:13:12,160
the base and there was no doubt in their

1487
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:14,920
mind that these things that occurred and

1488
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:18,010
their reports were classified for 30

1489
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:19,679
years

1490
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:25,850
and and what were the reports they saw

1491
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:31,280
one time a cigar and it seemed to be

1492
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:36,659
perhaps the same one that child's wooded

1493
01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:40,920
saw over Alabama and exclude Montgomery

1494
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:46,140
to to Atlanta and other UFO through the

1495
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:50,040
bright spinning top and these things

1496
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:54,330
would change directions they do up and

1497
01:14:00,410 --> 01:13:57,449
down and they would hover and then just

1498
01:14:03,709 --> 01:14:00,420
disappear a tremendous speed and they

1499
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:03,719
were all documented UFO cases over a

1500
01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:06,600
major Air Force Base now picked up on

1501
01:14:13,220 --> 01:14:11,670
radar or just seen visually they were

1502
01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:13,230
not detected on radar

1503
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,159
no Creek Aden well how do you how do you

1504
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:19,679
like yeah do you have an explanation for

1505
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:22,530
that because there are a lot of cases

1506
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:25,290
where these objects and nothing picked

1507
01:14:35,229 --> 01:14:28,260
up on radar but yet we have credible

1508
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:35,239
eyewitnesses to these observations I

1509
01:14:41,689 --> 01:14:38,070
have no idea what radar doesn't work on

1510
01:14:44,090 --> 01:14:41,699
them but there was one case when a

1511
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:44,100
fighter pilot was flying between moody

1512
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:48,510
Air Force Base and Valdosta to the

1513
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:52,489
through the base airport at Fort Benning

1514
01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:56,130
he was halfway there when he saw a UFO

1515
01:15:02,990 --> 01:14:59,010
above him he was just accumulating

1516
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:03,000
flight hours so he flew up towards it it

1517
01:15:08,290 --> 01:15:05,610
got bigger before moving away and he saw

1518
01:15:10,820 --> 01:15:08,300
it was below him and he defended and

1519
01:15:14,209 --> 01:15:10,830
about the time he called to the fort

1520
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:14,219
benning tower the radar operator there

1521
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,159
said did you see that thing to keep

1522
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:20,159
going up and down out there he said yes

1523
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:23,370
I was changing it in the end project

1524
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:26,010
Bluebook declared that he had been

1525
01:15:33,540 --> 01:15:30,420
chasing Venus Venus it it so it so it's

1526
01:15:36,330 --> 01:15:33,550
always Venus as the scapegoat of the

1527
01:15:39,420 --> 01:15:36,340
of UFOs I mean even more so than swamp

1528
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,430
gas I would I would yeah down here's

1529
01:15:44,010 --> 01:15:41,280
Jimmy Carter that's what they say he saw

1530
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:44,020
yeah well now you know it's a there's

1531
01:15:47,940 --> 01:15:45,430
there's been a fellow who's been working

1532
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:47,950
on a movie about that Jimmy Carter

1533
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:51,820
incident but it never it was it never

1534
01:15:55,620 --> 01:15:53,650
came out I mean I've seen a trailer for

1535
01:15:58,290 --> 01:15:55,630
it but what most people don't realize

1536
01:15:59,820 --> 01:15:58,300
they say Oh Jimmy Carter saw Venus he

1537
01:16:03,060 --> 01:15:59,830
was standing in front of the I think the

1538
01:16:05,340 --> 01:16:03,070
Lions Lions meeting they just had a

1539
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:05,350
meeting and they were sitting in front

1540
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:07,510
of the hall where they had just had

1541
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:11,530
their gathering but there were other UFO

1542
01:16:17,940 --> 01:16:15,730
sightings around that same time within a

1543
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:17,950
couple of days of Jimmy Carter's

1544
01:16:23,820 --> 01:16:20,410
sighting including the landing of an

1545
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:23,830
object near the water water tower right

1546
01:16:30,540 --> 01:16:27,130
outside of town so that case has not

1547
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:30,550
been investigated thoroughly I was

1548
01:16:34,620 --> 01:16:32,170
hoping that this film would come out and

1549
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:34,630
that we would see the the evidence

1550
01:16:41,250 --> 01:16:37,600
firsthand and I think that Jimmy Carter

1551
01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:41,260
has kind of been his hand has been

1552
01:16:47,070 --> 01:16:43,870
forced and he's been made to say oh they

1553
01:16:50,130 --> 01:16:47,080
say it's a you know the play it was the

1554
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:50,140
planet Venus well it wasn't the planet

1555
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:52,330
Venus all these years but suddenly I

1556
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:55,360
guess pressure not official pressure but

1557
01:16:58,830 --> 01:16:57,010
if you get your maybe just get tired of

1558
01:17:02,910 --> 01:16:58,840
hearing people say Venus Venus Venus

1559
01:17:04,050 --> 01:17:02,920
Venus you know and decide well let me

1560
01:17:06,780 --> 01:17:04,060
tell them it's Venus because I don't

1561
01:17:08,610 --> 01:17:06,790
want to sit here all day and argue with

1562
01:17:11,390 --> 01:17:08,620
them about it but Jimmy Carter's

1563
01:17:15,690 --> 01:17:11,400
reciting there's a lot more to it than

1564
01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:15,700
then we have been led to believe and I

1565
01:17:21,660 --> 01:17:18,550
sure in a heck wish that movie would you

1566
01:17:23,700 --> 01:17:21,670
know come out also too would there right

1567
01:17:27,330 --> 01:17:23,710
now I I don't know if you fellas are

1568
01:17:29,970 --> 01:17:27,340
familiar with this there was a an

1569
01:17:32,460 --> 01:17:29,980
incident involving a helicopter that

1570
01:17:36,180 --> 01:17:32,470
Jimmy Carter was on in the Panama and

1571
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:36,190
Panama where the the helicopter he was

1572
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:38,050
on taking him to the you know the plane

1573
01:17:42,660 --> 01:17:40,030
would fly them back to I guess Air Force

1574
01:17:44,340 --> 01:17:42,670
One okay I would fly him back I was

1575
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:44,350
lifting up from the ground and there

1576
01:17:46,780 --> 01:17:45,760
there were people you know scurrying

1577
01:17:48,340 --> 01:17:46,790
around on the

1578
01:17:54,190 --> 01:17:48,350
by the helicopters that took off and

1579
01:17:56,530 --> 01:17:54,200
there in the sky is a UFO now I had the

1580
01:17:58,990 --> 01:17:56,540
photo I had to photograph it was in the

1581
01:18:01,180 --> 01:17:59,000
newspaper and I actually contacted the

1582
01:18:04,180 --> 01:18:01,190
individual who took the picture down in

1583
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,190
Panama it was a I don't remember all the

1584
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:05,920
details I've written it up but it was a

1585
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:09,710
a woman who worked there and then and I

1586
01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:12,560
think on the military base and she

1587
01:18:18,850 --> 01:18:15,500
swears the incident is true and nobody's

1588
01:18:21,700 --> 01:18:18,860
actually discredited and believe it or

1589
01:18:24,610 --> 01:18:21,710
not grant Cameron found a copy of the

1590
01:18:26,710 --> 01:18:24,620
photograph in the Jimmy Carter a library

1591
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:26,720
but there were there were no notes or

1592
01:18:31,690 --> 01:18:29,810
anything with it at all well I have the

1593
01:18:35,140 --> 01:18:31,700
I have the the notes that I took at the

1594
01:18:38,650 --> 01:18:35,150
time but even more so than that I

1595
01:18:42,250 --> 01:18:38,660
remember around that period I had gotten

1596
01:18:44,620 --> 01:18:42,260
a letter from the Panama representative

1597
01:18:48,460 --> 01:18:44,630
for the mutual UFO network who had done

1598
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:48,470
an entire book on the on on that

1599
01:18:53,710 --> 01:18:51,320
particular incident and they wanted me

1600
01:18:54,970 --> 01:18:53,720
to publish it and I didn't publish it

1601
01:18:58,420 --> 01:18:54,980
and I can't remember why I didn't

1602
01:18:59,710 --> 01:18:58,430
publish it but I don't even think I saw

1603
01:19:03,100 --> 01:18:59,720
the manuscript but it was supposedly

1604
01:19:04,630 --> 01:19:03,110
ready to go and I don't know who that

1605
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,640
person was and I've never been able to

1606
01:19:08,230 --> 01:19:05,840
track him down

1607
01:19:10,660 --> 01:19:08,240
since then so there's there's somebody

1608
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:10,670
in Panama who knows all about this

1609
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:13,370
incident but I've never been able to

1610
01:19:18,430 --> 01:19:15,530
track him down because I can't find my

1611
01:19:21,610 --> 01:19:18,440
notes on the particular incident but Mac

1612
01:19:23,620 --> 01:19:21,620
how about you now the incidents where

1613
01:19:29,530 --> 01:19:23,630
there have been actual battles between

1614
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:29,540
the military and and UFOs well they're

1615
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:31,970
very rare we have a story in UFOs from

1616
01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:35,120
one time about a confrontation between

1617
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:38,870
an f-16 fighter and a UFO during the

1618
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:42,320
first Gulf War there are some you know

1619
01:19:47,230 --> 01:19:44,330
at there's some evidence to it there

1620
01:19:49,330 --> 01:19:47,240
were some eyewitnesses to it on the

1621
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:49,340
ground it once again it was one of these

1622
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:52,880
things that it was just too good of a

1623
01:19:57,310 --> 01:19:55,550
story not to put in the book but I think

1624
01:19:59,050 --> 01:19:57,320
it's more fascinating that you know we

1625
01:20:00,700 --> 01:19:59,060
don't have more of these stories

1626
01:20:03,250 --> 01:20:00,710
especially during World War

1627
01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:03,260
- when you have a lot of Warplanes on

1628
01:20:08,170 --> 01:20:05,710
both sides flying around up there and

1629
01:20:09,970 --> 01:20:08,180
seeing these Foo Fighters in the middle

1630
01:20:12,459 --> 01:20:09,980
of these battles and bombing missions

1631
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:12,469
and stuff yet there is not any recorded

1632
01:20:18,729 --> 01:20:14,210
evidence at all that there was any kind

1633
01:20:20,110 --> 01:20:18,739
of hostile intent on the part of the Foo

1634
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:20,120
Fighters they were just there kind of

1635
01:20:27,729 --> 01:20:24,410
watching us as you said in the 50s there

1636
01:20:30,430 --> 01:20:27,739
was a shoot first if you the order to

1637
01:20:34,750 --> 01:20:30,440
our fighter pilots if they saw our UFO

1638
01:20:37,390 --> 01:20:34,760
this is after the the the UFO flap over

1639
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:37,400
Washington DC in the early 50s that the

1640
01:20:43,870 --> 01:20:39,650
order was that if you cannot contact the

1641
01:20:46,630 --> 01:20:43,880
UFO you should shoot it down and that

1642
01:20:48,940 --> 01:20:46,640
when that one where did that got out so

1643
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:48,950
many people called the White House and

1644
01:20:53,620 --> 01:20:52,010
called the Pentagon asking them you know

1645
01:20:55,690 --> 01:20:53,630
is this a good idea maybe you should you

1646
01:20:57,850 --> 01:20:55,700
know rethink this order and they jammed

1647
01:21:00,130 --> 01:20:57,860
up the phone line so much you know to

1648
01:21:02,110 --> 01:21:00,140
the extent at the White House and the

1649
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:02,120
Pentagon that this is when the CIA got

1650
01:21:06,370 --> 01:21:03,890
involved in the whole UFO mess and they

1651
01:21:08,290 --> 01:21:06,380
were the ones who started saying we'll

1652
01:21:11,140 --> 01:21:08,300
look at why don't we just you know bring

1653
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,150
in the ridicule factor here and anyone

1654
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:13,280
who has any kind of credible UFO

1655
01:21:17,290 --> 01:21:14,960
sightings the best way to get rid of

1656
01:21:21,220 --> 01:21:17,300
them is just basically say well you saw

1657
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:21,230
Venus you know no but again it's it's

1658
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:23,570
fascinating to me that there as the that

1659
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:26,000
there aren't as many stories of us

1660
01:21:31,150 --> 01:21:28,250
having you know dogfights or any kind of

1661
01:21:33,190 --> 01:21:31,160
battle with UFOs especially drone a lot

1662
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:33,200
of time because they always seem to be

1663
01:21:37,870 --> 01:21:36,710
up there when we're up there there was

1664
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:37,880
somebody and I can't remember the guys

1665
01:21:43,900 --> 01:21:40,730
name now who wrote a book a couple of

1666
01:21:45,490 --> 01:21:43,910
years ago that it actually it related

1667
01:21:48,010 --> 01:21:45,500
back to the you know the flatwoods

1668
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:48,020
monster yeah yes Joe somebody and I

1669
01:21:52,930 --> 01:21:50,540
can't remember it yeah but I mean he he

1670
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:52,940
went and you know like to look at the

1671
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:54,890
records and around the same time that

1672
01:22:00,910 --> 01:21:56,690
you know the Air Force and issued that

1673
01:22:04,959 --> 01:22:00,920
you know shoot him down policy there was

1674
01:22:08,729 --> 01:22:04,969
a big increase of fighter jet crashes

1675
01:22:12,030 --> 01:22:08,739
and and in fact there had been I guess

1676
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:12,040
several incidents that had taken place

1677
01:22:18,340 --> 01:22:14,090
shortly before the whole

1678
01:22:20,620 --> 01:22:18,350
flatwoods a monster case took place and

1679
01:22:22,930 --> 01:22:20,630
you know of course his speculation was

1680
01:22:26,410 --> 01:22:22,940
is that you know these pilots you know

1681
01:22:28,810 --> 01:22:26,420
we're taking that shoot him down policy

1682
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:28,820
seriously except they were the ones who

1683
01:22:33,850 --> 01:22:31,520
handed up getting shot down well things

1684
01:22:36,190 --> 01:22:33,860
like that could have happened there are

1685
01:22:38,830 --> 01:22:36,200
instances where our jet fighters have

1686
01:22:41,470 --> 01:22:38,840
disappeared there was a incident over

1687
01:22:44,140 --> 01:22:41,480
Lake Michigan and the 50s where you know

1688
01:22:48,370 --> 01:22:44,150
UFOs was seen coming over the over the

1689
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:48,380
border and they once day a plane an f-89

1690
01:22:54,730 --> 01:22:50,330
scorpion it was like this kind of very

1691
01:22:58,120 --> 01:22:54,740
large jet fighter and people watched on

1692
01:23:00,880 --> 01:22:58,130
the radar as this fighter literally

1693
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:00,890
converged on the UFO and they thought

1694
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:02,930
that okay this is they're gonna circle

1695
01:23:07,930 --> 01:23:04,610
it or whatever but you know when that

1696
01:23:11,290 --> 01:23:07,940
when the two radar points converged they

1697
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:11,300
never separated again and the plane was

1698
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:14,510
never found the pilots families were

1699
01:23:20,970 --> 01:23:16,370
lied to saying that you know they had

1700
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:20,980
crashed into into the lake like Michigan

1701
01:23:26,230 --> 01:23:23,450
can't find the wreckage so on and so

1702
01:23:28,780 --> 01:23:26,240
forth there are instances like that and

1703
01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:28,790
then the mantle story as you would

1704
01:23:34,090 --> 01:23:31,190
referenced earlier where he was in a

1705
01:23:38,710 --> 01:23:34,100
p-51 Mustang they call him f50 ones then

1706
01:23:42,220 --> 01:23:38,720
and he flew way over his the ceiling of

1707
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:42,230
that plane chasing something you know

1708
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:43,970
his last words were you know it's it's

1709
01:23:46,810 --> 01:23:45,710
enormous and it's shining bright or

1710
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:46,820
something like that and then they found

1711
01:23:52,630 --> 01:23:50,570
the wreckage of his plane you know not a

1712
01:23:54,130 --> 01:23:52,640
hundred miles away but quite a few miles

1713
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:54,140
away from where this incident happened

1714
01:23:58,750 --> 01:23:56,750
there are isolated cases like that

1715
01:24:01,620 --> 01:23:58,760
there's no doubt about it but as far as

1716
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:01,630
major battles and so on and so forth

1717
01:24:06,190 --> 01:24:04,370
between our military someone else's

1718
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:06,200
military and UFOs they're just not out

1719
01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:08,330
there and I find that in itself kind of

1720
01:24:14,180 --> 01:24:10,260
fascinating

1721
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:14,190
I want to ask you a real quick match and

1722
01:24:21,950 --> 01:24:17,760
this this is not UFO related but it goes

1723
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:21,960
to a recent subject that you talked

1724
01:24:28,209 --> 01:24:25,380
about on your military x-files you're

1725
01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:28,219
talking about weather as a weapon and

1726
01:24:33,319 --> 01:24:31,739
the attempts use the military's attempts

1727
01:24:35,299 --> 01:24:33,329
to use weather as a weapon including

1728
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,309
killing thousands of enemies shoulder

1729
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:38,159
soldiers with directed lightning bolts

1730
01:24:45,229 --> 01:24:41,610
now you know I'm a big Tesla fan and boy

1731
01:24:46,839 --> 01:24:45,239
that sure sounds like some kind of Tesla

1732
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:46,849
like weapon

1733
01:24:52,129 --> 01:24:50,489
well yeah we had our most recent show we

1734
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:52,139
we talked about it because of the two

1735
01:24:58,370 --> 01:24:54,300
hurricanes that just hit the United

1736
01:25:00,319 --> 01:24:58,380
States weather research you know whether

1737
01:25:04,100 --> 01:25:00,329
as weapons research of course is is

1738
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:04,110
classified top secret hop up in Alaska

1739
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:06,719
they know that when that was operating

1740
01:25:12,259 --> 01:25:08,730
at least under the military they would

1741
01:25:13,549 --> 01:25:12,269
throw you know tens of thousands

1742
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:13,559
hundreds of thousands of volts of

1743
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:16,710
electricity up into the ionosphere their

1744
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,210
excuse was that they were looking for

1745
01:25:23,959 --> 01:25:20,159
ways to improve communications or

1746
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:23,969
something like that you know if you

1747
01:25:27,410 --> 01:25:25,650
could do it if you could Highness the

1748
01:25:30,109 --> 01:25:27,420
weather and and one of the things that

1749
01:25:31,759 --> 01:25:30,119
they tried to do is one of our guests

1750
01:25:34,729 --> 01:25:31,769
was talking about is that if you could

1751
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:34,739
direct lightning bolts or if you could

1752
01:25:41,629 --> 01:25:38,000
create a thunderstorm that is especially

1753
01:25:43,629 --> 01:25:41,639
electrified and have lightning bolts of

1754
01:25:46,580 --> 01:25:43,639
you can imagine that on a battlefield

1755
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,590
you know in in addition to the artillery

1756
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:48,239
and people shooting and bombing and

1757
01:25:52,459 --> 01:25:49,650
everything lightning bolts are coming

1758
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:52,469
down and hitting the enemy soldiers I

1759
01:25:57,109 --> 01:25:54,210
mean that's just like it it's just such

1760
01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:57,119
a scary scene to kind of contemplate but

1761
01:26:02,839 --> 01:25:59,460
of course you have to think well how are

1762
01:26:04,370 --> 01:26:02,849
you able to make sure that your own side

1763
01:26:06,259 --> 01:26:04,380
isn't getting hit by these lightning

1764
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:06,269
bolts how do you make directed lightning

1765
01:26:10,759 --> 01:26:08,760
bolts supposedly they are working on it

1766
01:26:13,279 --> 01:26:10,769
you know but you know they work on a lot

1767
01:26:16,220 --> 01:26:13,289
of things and and someone said that nine

1768
01:26:18,979 --> 01:26:16,230
out of ten secret projects never come to

1769
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:18,989
fruition but they're looking into it and

1770
01:26:22,430 --> 01:26:20,610
and as I'm sure the Russians and the

1771
01:26:23,810 --> 01:26:22,440
Chinese are looking into it too if you

1772
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:23,820
can Highness the weather

1773
01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:25,800
as a weapon if you can direct a

1774
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,460
hurricane over your enemy's bases or

1775
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:31,440
just as they going into battle or their

1776
01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:33,360
fleets something like that you know you

1777
01:26:38,419 --> 01:26:34,920
have more power in your hand than any

1778
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,429
kind of nuclear weaponry no I mean

1779
01:26:43,459 --> 01:26:41,280
considering the the ability to be able

1780
01:26:45,919 --> 01:26:43,469
to like it or shoot lightning bolts you

1781
01:26:48,169 --> 01:26:45,929
know at an enemy but you're absolutely

1782
01:26:50,689 --> 01:26:48,179
right I mean how do you prevent then

1783
01:26:53,089 --> 01:26:50,699
your own troops from becoming an

1784
01:26:54,530 --> 01:26:53,099
electric you know we've seen these you

1785
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:54,540
know scenes where like a lightning bolt

1786
01:27:00,319 --> 01:26:57,060
will hit say like a soccer field and

1787
01:27:03,050 --> 01:27:00,329
people will drop in all directions right

1788
01:27:05,089 --> 01:27:03,060
you know yeah yeah as the boat grounds

1789
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:05,099
itself and then travels you're not

1790
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:06,810
exactly the same thing but the British

1791
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:10,860
some time ago they were going to start

1792
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,400
work on a nuclear bomb that when it

1793
01:27:19,250 --> 01:27:16,800
exploded let's say a tactical nuclear

1794
01:27:21,109 --> 01:27:19,260
weapon so a battlefield weapon when it

1795
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:21,119
exploded it was so bright that it had

1796
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:23,400
literally the ability to blind enemy

1797
01:27:28,459 --> 01:27:26,280
soldiers okay and and people actually

1798
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:28,469
said you know what yeah that's almost

1799
01:27:32,300 --> 01:27:29,730
not fair you know

1800
01:27:33,319 --> 01:27:32,310
that's that's not that's not Wafaa it

1801
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,329
certainly isn't in the Geneva

1802
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:35,280
Conventions but they never they never

1803
01:27:38,569 --> 01:27:37,110
developed it because they thought well

1804
01:27:41,540 --> 01:27:38,579
once again how do you prevent your own

1805
01:27:43,629 --> 01:27:41,550
troops from you know not going blind and

1806
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:43,639
the fact that you would you would just

1807
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:46,170
blinds of enemies so it just didn't seem

1808
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:47,820
right in a way so they never developed

1809
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:50,639
the this particular weapon but they were

1810
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:52,110
going to do it and I suppose they could

1811
01:27:58,160 --> 01:27:55,020
do it now if they wanted to just kind of

1812
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,170
a scary aspect of you know another scary

1813
01:28:03,260 --> 01:28:00,239
aspect of using nuclear weapons and voix

1814
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:03,270
oh yeah well yeah it's not fair but then

1815
01:28:09,020 --> 01:28:07,050
again I mean using poisonous gas or you

1816
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:09,030
know anthrax or things like that yeah

1817
01:28:20,270 --> 01:28:15,570
that's fair - well Jim I wanted to ask

1818
01:28:27,379 --> 01:28:20,280
you about and when Tim Beckley was

1819
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,389
asking about you know like UFO crashes

1820
01:28:31,879 --> 01:28:29,520
or dark crashes but you know involved in

1821
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:31,889
the military in crashes it made me think

1822
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:33,900
about this story that you have

1823
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:38,010
that took place in 1985 involving a

1824
01:28:41,149 --> 01:28:40,080
helicopter a crashed helicopter and

1825
01:28:43,310 --> 01:28:41,159
Bigfoot

1826
01:28:45,740 --> 01:28:43,320
you know we're rapidly running out of

1827
01:28:48,700 --> 01:28:45,750
time unfortunately so I'd like you to

1828
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:48,710
talk about that story just a little bit

1829
01:28:57,740 --> 01:28:54,810
yeah it was a exercise by another States

1830
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,750
National Guard and it was a mountain

1831
01:29:03,439 --> 01:28:59,760
ranger up in North Georgia in the

1832
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:03,449
mountains and there were troops working

1833
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:05,130
on the ground and then there were

1834
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:07,890
several helicopters and one of the

1835
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:10,890
helicopters was swinging low and fast

1836
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:13,860
around the mountain and crashed and

1837
01:29:23,419 --> 01:29:17,280
exploded as all the aviation fuel went

1838
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:23,429
off and killed the two-man crew now the

1839
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:26,130
weird part started 10 years later when

1840
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:29,370
somebody made a report to a Bigfoot

1841
01:29:36,260 --> 01:29:32,310
organization and they said after that

1842
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:36,270
crash I was an MP that was sent up there

1843
01:29:45,770 --> 01:29:39,600
to guard the wreckage and guard the the

1844
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:45,780
the crews bodies until morning so he

1845
01:29:50,180 --> 01:29:48,210
said they went up there and it wasn't a

1846
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:50,190
lot to do it got dark they started a

1847
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:53,280
fire and they were eating and then I

1848
01:29:59,419 --> 01:29:55,650
started hearing something from the crash

1849
01:30:02,120 --> 01:29:59,429
site and sound like very large bodies

1850
01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:02,130
moving around in there so they

1851
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:04,920
illuminated their flashlights and they

1852
01:30:10,910 --> 01:30:08,010
saw what apparently was a Bigfoot family

1853
01:30:16,189 --> 01:30:10,920
group like that was dad and mom and a

1854
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,199
kid and the distasteful part of the

1855
01:30:23,300 --> 01:30:18,960
story is they were dragging away the

1856
01:30:25,310 --> 01:30:23,310
bodies of the crew the NPA said they all

1857
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:25,320
drew their weapons and just fired until

1858
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:29,130
they are empty and reloaded and chased a

1859
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:33,690
Bigfoot away in the next morning they

1860
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:35,460
acted like nothing ever happened and

1861
01:30:41,570 --> 01:30:39,360
they went back to their base and then a

1862
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:41,580
few years later another man said look I

1863
01:30:51,140 --> 01:30:47,400
was there I was actual MP there we

1864
01:30:55,070 --> 01:30:51,150
crash site we helped load the bodies on

1865
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:55,080
a helicopter and they left and then we

1866
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:56,880
guarded the wreckage through the nine

1867
01:31:03,380 --> 01:30:59,360
just sitting around shooting breeze and

1868
01:31:08,660 --> 01:31:03,390
eating MREs and there's nothing to the

1869
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:08,670
story so it's odd odd story absolutely

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undocumented and explained thoroughly

1871
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:15,780
and that supposedly event that took

1872
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:19,890
place so we're in Georgia near Dahlonega

1873
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:24,810
it's up down mountains there's a ranger

1874
01:31:30,230 --> 01:31:26,970
base there I can't recall the little bit

1875
01:31:33,740 --> 01:31:30,240
maybe camp Darby yeah okay well right

1876
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:33,750
you know we are down to the last boot

1877
01:31:40,340 --> 01:31:37,650
buckle here and want to give the both of

1878
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:40,350
our guests the opportunity to tell our

1879
01:31:47,930 --> 01:31:44,250
multitude of listeners where and how

1880
01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:47,940
they can be reached and what they have

1881
01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:50,280
what they have available as far as books

1882
01:31:57,500 --> 01:31:53,460
and literature and websites go Jim why

1883
01:32:00,530 --> 01:31:57,510
don't you take it away first okay all of

1884
01:32:02,660 --> 01:32:00,540
my books a couple of Civil War books but

1885
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:02,670
they're pretty much out of print now but

1886
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:07,110
I have two weird George's and three

1887
01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:09,810
Civil War those books and three books

1888
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:13,110
about Georgia ghosts one one store in

1889
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:15,930
every County and the brand new military

1890
01:32:26,770 --> 01:32:19,650
mysteries of Georgia and you can write

1891
01:32:29,770 --> 01:32:26,780
me at mile book dot miles book at carnet

1892
01:32:33,380 --> 01:32:29,780
okay and you're on Facebook as well

1893
01:32:35,420 --> 01:32:33,390
I'm a face book yeah well there you go

1894
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:35,430
people will be flocking to your

1895
01:32:43,700 --> 01:32:39,450
messenger there and you know well they

1896
01:32:46,430 --> 01:32:43,710
do indeed yes and let us go to our next

1897
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:46,440
guest here and Mac why don't you tell us

1898
01:32:52,490 --> 01:32:48,330
where people can reach you and find out

1899
01:32:54,230 --> 01:32:52,500
about your literature well all my books

1900
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:54,240
are for sale and you know bookstores

1901
01:33:00,200 --> 01:32:57,090
everywhere but probably the best place

1902
01:33:01,220 --> 01:33:00,210
to get them is on amazon.com the wing

1903
01:33:03,170 --> 01:33:01,230
man series

1904
01:33:07,190 --> 01:33:03,180
as you had mentioned before 18 books

1905
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:07,200
also UFOs in watt time and Beyond area

1906
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:09,690
51 which is about secret bases around

1907
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:14,489
the world other than area 51 we do a

1908
01:33:19,670 --> 01:33:16,650
weekly show called Mack Moniz military

1909
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:19,680
x-files that's heard on a wide range of

1910
01:33:25,540 --> 01:33:22,290
networks very good very good program

1911
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:25,550
okay thank you I appreciate that and

1912
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:30,810
people can contact me at wing man at

1913
01:33:37,460 --> 01:33:33,930
Mack Maloney Tom wing man at Mack

1914
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:37,470
Maloney calm well I want to thank the

1915
01:33:42,020 --> 01:33:38,880
two of you for being on with us tonight

1916
01:33:46,030 --> 01:33:42,030
it was a fascinating discourse on

1917
01:33:49,490 --> 01:33:46,040
strange phenomena and the military and

1918
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:49,500
this is sergeant Bunco I'm going back to

1919
01:33:53,660 --> 01:33:50,850
the barracks and make sure that

1920
01:33:57,229 --> 01:33:53,670
everybody has gotten in shape to go out

1921
01:34:01,460 --> 01:33:57,239
for our next sky watch are you ready

1922
01:34:05,210 --> 01:34:01,470
there private source I think so

1923
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:05,220
sergeant but hey you know we've got just

1924
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:07,920
a little bit more than a minute and I

1925
01:34:14,270 --> 01:34:10,770
think you shouldn't mention once again

1926
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:14,280
your your new reprint that that we just

1927
01:34:19,729 --> 01:34:16,489
put out the other day oh my goodness

1928
01:34:23,229 --> 01:34:19,739
inside this is the first book that I

1929
01:34:26,890 --> 01:34:23,239
ever did to finance my early activities

1930
01:34:30,350 --> 01:34:26,900
1962 it's inside the Sorcerer's

1931
01:34:32,660 --> 01:34:30,360
Confessions of a Teenage ufologist and

1932
01:34:34,460 --> 01:34:32,670
it may sound a little hokey but you know

1933
01:34:36,620 --> 01:34:34,470
there's some darn good material in there

1934
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,630
you would never guess that Jerry Clark

1935
01:34:40,940 --> 01:34:38,400
and Alan Greenfield and all of us were

1936
01:34:46,010 --> 01:34:40,950
teenagers at the time and also two big

1937
01:34:49,490 --> 01:34:46,020
news Reverend Barry downing has written

1938
01:34:53,180 --> 01:34:49,500
a book which is just available and now I

1939
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:53,190
think it'll be out tomorrow on it's an

1940
01:34:58,340 --> 01:34:56,370
update of his Bible book that he did 48

1941
01:35:00,979 --> 01:34:58,350
years ago it's called biblical UFO

1942
01:35:03,740 --> 01:35:00,989
revelations did extraterrestrials power

1943
01:35:05,170 --> 01:35:03,750
cause ancient miracles and it should be

1944
01:35:08,060 --> 01:35:05,180
up on Amazon

1945
01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:08,070
tomorrow repre downing and once again

1946
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:18,960
you've been listening to exploring the

1947
01:35:26,190 --> 01:35:22,960
bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and to

1948
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:26,200
Swartz they're taking back the night by

1949
01:35:31,650 --> 01:35:29,110
jetting non-stop across the cosmos in

1950
01:35:35,470 --> 01:35:31,660
search of the truly bizarre and totally

1951
01:35:37,980 --> 01:35:35,480
unexplained with you as their cold

1952
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Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

1953
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10:00 p.m.

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on the kco our digital rating

1955
01:35:49,550 --> 01:35:46,260
for more information on exploring the

1956
01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:49,560
bazaars and hosts Timothy Becca and Tim

1957
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:52,440
Swartz check out their K cor digital

1958
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radio network follow their YouTube

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01:36:12,140 --> 01:36:01,740
channel @m our UFO 1100 explore the